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jrscatman 
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 Topic: Chopping long pips vs short pipsPosted: 12/01/2011 at 3:48pm |
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Hi
I am playing modern defence style with long OX on the backhand. I stared using it for no reason. I've seen some videos of pro's playing modern defence using short pips. What are advantages and disadvantages of using short or long for modern defence? Thanks in advance JRS
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chopchopslam
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Posted: 12/01/2011 at 4:37pm |
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I am thinking of trying short pips as well.
Advantage of short pips: Easier to attack Advantage of long pips: Sends back funkier balls -- spin reversal and floaters. With long pips, attacking a topspin ball is nearly impossible, it will float right off the table. I really like chopping with LP 0X, but I can also chop with inverted or with sponged LP with minor adjustments. How is chopping with a sponged SP?
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Posted: 12/01/2011 at 5:17pm |
Also you are able to generate your own spin which allows for easier spin variation.
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Posted: 12/01/2011 at 5:31pm |
Try medium pips, best of both worlds.
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Posted: 12/01/2011 at 5:38pm |
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I tried using Sponged SP - on a friends blade and found it hard to chop very spinny balls. The ball tended to go very high up in the air - I had very little control or feel compared to my long OX. It just didn't feel right to me.
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Posted: 12/01/2011 at 5:44pm |
use med pips on a soft 1.5 sponge on a ALL+ blade. it does take practice, not 1 or 2 sessions. it also depends on your level and your opponent's.
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Posted: 12/01/2011 at 6:19pm |
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My level is not high US 1400 - The spinny loops giving problems are from good players in 2000 range. I find the lower level player can't play against chop.
Med Pips is something I had not considered. Thanks for your suggestion
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Posted: 12/02/2011 at 6:35am |
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For years I've dreamed of switching to chopper.. For years, I haven't been able to make up my mind.
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Posted: 12/02/2011 at 12:32pm |
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Long pip advantages:
- Various levels of speed and spin are easier to deal with - Variation of speed and spin are easier to produce - Opponents will be tricked more often on what is on the ball - Wobble balls are easier to produce Short pip advantages: - More attacking possibilities - Creating your own spin is easier/more effective Long pips are simply better for defense if you're using a combination setup. Short pips can be effective, but you're missing out on a few useful tools for a defender. Also, if you've ever played against both a short pips and long pips chopper, you'll know the spin coming from a short pips player is immensely easier to read and predict. |
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Posted: 12/02/2011 at 5:04pm |
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Hey,
Thanks everyone for your suggestions Swiff... I use Palio CK531 long pips only costs $6 just put it on slow blade and start chopping. I started just fooling around with it and soon started using it as my main style. Also, find I get more exercise. But be careful - hopefully, you have enough space in your club to play this style. All too often people wander around behind you....without thinkng. Good luck JRS
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Posted: 12/07/2011 at 8:24am |
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LP has 2 weaknesses:-
1.doesnt make spin, so attacker can dictate and vary the spin 2. is vulnerable to variations in pace. So opponent who plays fast ball, soft ball well, may have an advantage On the other hand LP helps you to handle any amount of incoming power, and send it back loaded. Spon the other hand, though it handles incoming variation well and can also be used to make and vary spin, it probably requires a bit more skill to return the really big shots compared with LP. However you can attack with it I somehow think that at the top level (where there is no skill shortage) SP is going to be seen more and more, simply because it provides more ways for taking the initiative than LP |
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Posted: 12/07/2011 at 1:45pm |
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I think when I first decided to use LP - all the major choppers Joo, Weixing and Wang Xi (saw him locally - he was not world ranked) were all using LP - so I just went with it.
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Posted: 12/07/2011 at 2:51pm |
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I've seen a 1800- 1900 level guy with short pips on backhand. He cuts the topspin with the paddle straight down consistently and is quite effective against his level of loopers. The looper has less time to loop the next shot. He also attacks with short pips.
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