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bozbrisvegas 
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It has been a while since I have asked mytabletennis forumers for advice, so here goes.
The amount I play in the last year is a lot less than in the 10 years I have been playing. I felt I peaked a few years ago and that got a bit tired of it - lacked motivation to improve. That's not negative it is just playing less and focussing on other things in life more. I have hardly played away from the table in the last year so my game training play has all been over the table and a metre back. I fell in love with tenergy 25 on forehand which I actually think is better than 05 for now!! shock horror of course - as all think of me as an 05 fanboy. I still am as I can't find a better backhand rubber. But the sheet of 25 I have is getting bit worn and opened my last spin art out of desperation and pulled it off again after a few days and then retried it. I used lots of slower blades recently too but after over a year with them I really got frustrated again feeling they just don't play right with my style and rubbers. I am over the moon with my Nittaku 3 ply hinoki telion now. It has all the gears. In this video it is the 3rd day of using spin art consecutively, I love the short touch shots (not evident here) and over the table counter. It also gives variety to the 05 trajectory spin and blocks etc. OK enough about where I am coming from. I feel I have improved my forehand in general and over the table flicking, and my serves. (serves not evident in this video - missing serves makes my partner not want me to record again :(. Many of you have seen me play over the years and just wondering if you could give me constructive criticism please. I don't really want praise - I want suggestions to improve my stroke etc. cheers |
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blahness
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Posted: 12/18/2011 at 8:31am |
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too high a centre of gravity for my liking（it slows you down a bit), but the strokes look pretty solid
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Despite playing more errect than a Private at the position of Attention, you move pretty well. You lack a lot of power on the FH wing. You prolly do not stand very wide or rotate waist so much. Yet your consistancy much it much less of a moot point vs this opponent. You seem to give up the table right away no matter what. You seem comfortable operating from mid distance, yet you lack the power to put away balls on the first or second hit. Again, you can play vs this opponent just fine without losing much. You seem to have much more potential to finish points by opening on BH (opponent pops it up right nice each time) then skulldrug on FH from close to table. Maybe you do not like this style of play or make errors close to the table.You also do not step around even half the way when you decide to make a FH vs an incoming ball towards your crossover. This costs you a lot of power and control, yet you manage to keep it on the table and avoid getting creamed. I take it this opponent will not punish you for this, but many others equal to your level will for sure.
Perhaps you wish to avoid having the ball blocked by you on power shots, perhaps you wish to avoid timing problems moving to the ball to attack strongly. Whatever the case, you have consistancy vs this opponent and do not make mistakes going for the wrong balls. You simply make a consistant topspin and rally out. If you can suceed this way, great, no gripe from me.
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bozbrisvegas
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Posted: 12/18/2011 at 10:43am |
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You are right I am still to errect and I don't use my body enough with the twisting I think that starts from moving my right foot back, don't do it enough. I don't jump off the ground a lot of the top players do which is where I think they get a lot of the twist.
I hope I can get another guy who I am about 50/50 with. He attacks hard and my game has to be a lot tighter to win. Against him I have to really try to vary everything and keep it short. The guy in this video has only played a year! Amazing and has improved drastically in the months I have been playing him. He is too much of a push blocker for me to get a chance to counter shots I like most the time. And his serve I don't ever push as his open of my spin is harder to open than if I just tap it back and get him to soft drive. I actually make a great deal of points out of serves but as I said not going to bother posting that. It's more about my stroke still. thanks guys
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bozbrisvegas
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Posted: 12/18/2011 at 10:49am |
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Dam you are really right - I run back from the table every dam point for no reason!!! OK I am going to tie my leg to the table dam it.
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Posted: 12/18/2011 at 11:30am |
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This is the sense I get from watching the video and I may be totally off based.
You look like you have developed a very nice game. The three major differences that I noticed between you and very high level players is: 1) Footwork. Higher level players are on their toes, bouncing very quickly between shots and usually in excellent position to take the ball in the same place, their power zone. 2) Most of your power seems to be initiated from your upper body. What I have noticed is that higher level players initiate power from the lower half of their body (hips and legs) by "sinking into their legs", compressing and then releasing in an arc. The upper part of the body is very relaxed until the point of contact at which time they transfer motion/power into the ball by squeezing on the racket with their fingers. Relaxation of the upper half is very key since this allows for a whip like acceleration through the ball. I am working on this and you have to be very flexible to accomplish this. If you look at Chinese training film (especially of children) they are chosen for their quick reflexes and flexibility as well as quick muscle capability (same with martial arts). They do an enormous amount of stretching compared to European players who do an enormous amount of drinking (my own observations). :-) 3) You are more erect which keeps you from viewing the ball and hitting it more out front of you in your power zone. This requires an enormous amount of flexibility and strength training. How about 10 hours of yoga low stance martial arts training each week? :-) I love watching Samsonov as a visually guide for where I would like to be but never will be. :-) He is a natural player. The Tai Chi Master of Table Tennis. In his interview, he talks about how much time the Chinese spend on the mundane areas of table tennis and that he himself works at it 4 - 6 hours a day. It takes lots of effort and practice away from the table as well as at the table. I myself (I am 60) spend 1.5 hours each day at yoga and other times other types of martial arts exercises to keep limber and spring-like strong.
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bozbrisvegas
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Posted: 12/18/2011 at 6:52pm |
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nice one rich,
I am doomed then, I am the least flexible person on this planet. I have never been able to touch my toes - which is weird because I got short legs and longer body. I can just touch my fingers behind my back when my right shoulder goes over and left under but the other way around I am hopeless as my right arm is bigger. The stretching idea is still good. I might start everydays play with 10 minutes of it to start. Oh forgot to mention that I do a 10 minute cycle back and forth from where I play and usually cycle about 30 minutes on top of that around town. Since I bought my bike (at first my ass hurt bad and legs were too tired) I now feel like my legs have grown stronger ( I double my fiance on the back) but strength in my legs still doesnt add that much into it because I don't have flexibility. thanks again. 1. stretch 2. stay near table 3. stay lower 4. start with feet and twist more
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GeneralSpecific
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Posted: 12/18/2011 at 7:56pm |
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Being too erect has already been covered. Footwork needs to be improved. The very first point you crossed your feet on the backhand side and angled your body the opposite of what it should be leaving a gigantic hole open on the forehand side.
Also, your backhand loop against backspin can go kind of high. It has good spin but it's a little high to me. I do this a little too often myself. Edited by GeneralSpecific - 12/18/2011 at 7:57pm |
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You are much better than the last video I saw, nice going.
When hitting a fast FH, you are over swinging your arm, this increases your recovery time for the second FH, and if the ball comes back, you block it. Like stated above, if you lower your body and use more legs / torso in your shots, you will have more power and control. Overall your game is very good.
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Blade - Yes BH - Rubber Red FH - Rubber Black |
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I agree with metal's comment about your improvement. It looks like your power has improved. You still do not have enough power to finish points away from the table, though, so you really have to focus on staying close. When you stay close you are finishing points well.
You seem very consistent with your BH openers, so try and focus on hitting a flatter, more driving ball instead of a spinny one. Your consistency allows you to afford to take more risks with those shots.
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You seem to put a good rotation in your top spins. Maybe you could hit more on some balls, especially those that are quite high. You would improve speed. With a more forward motion stroke and hitting more even when ou top spin.
Your opponent looks pretty good after only one year of practice.
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too much Bh emphasis ?
 You have a good stable BH... but as even kreanga said... Bh is not his strongest weapon to win points... :-) So may be not move on your right to take mid/FH balls with your BH. |
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I also am impressed with your partner, impressive for the amount of playing time. I think the cramped space affected your movement and strokes but that can't be helped.
You could have been more aggressive on your serve receive. You let go too many of the loose serves and that can become a habit. Put your partner under more pressure with your return. Being aggressive in practice will improve your partner's serves and your serve return.
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What is wrong with that? as long as he means it. A higher arcing well spun topspin, means that you have altered the tempo in your favour, giving you loads of time for your next stroke, or forcing an error out of your opponent who is trying to force the pace. If anything, they are too shallow (near to the net) but height is not an issue at this level. It might not work on the Pro Tour though Boz
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Where did you learn to push short so well?
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Posted: 12/20/2011 at 8:47am |
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If you do slow, spinny, high topspins, they have to be long enough not to give your opponent the chance of pushing you out to the sides by blocking them outside on an angle. |
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Posted: 12/20/2011 at 9:32am |
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Wow, boz your close to table game is so much improved from last time. And I also don't think there is anything wrong with your backhand. Love those chiquita flicks.
When I play against higher level players they tend to take the ball earlier when doing chiquita flicks and start to put pressure right away. May be you can think of this too.
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Lots of info from others. I wanted to add a tip for the forehand.
I saw that you missed quite a few second forehand shots in the row. The way the sequence plays out is that you get a push and you open with the forehand. Then, the ball gets blocked and you loop again, but missing the table. You have a strong opening spin shot, but for the second forehand, you again, go low and lift the ball. That lift is not necessary - the ball is not underspin any more. Oh, and love the backhand!  Edited by Leshxa - 12/20/2011 at 3:56pm |
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cheers to all,
yes my second forehand is usually a shocker, chicken or the egg, if my partner could return more of the first attack I would be better trained to do the second one. Or maybe my first attack is too big forcing me to do a block. Anyway I went in the day after the video took your advice. I stayed lower, near the table for starters and yeah it made a bit of a difference for a while, and then just started finding the opponent got more used to it. So I think using it as an alternating strategy for now. Play how I normally do then try playing at the table or vice versa - the tempo really changes. you joking fruit loop? I think it did because of the spin art being so slow in touch shots. but I have pulled spin art off because I find it too unpredictable for me still. I put my older sheet of 25 instead and wala! felt I could counter loop comfortable all night long.
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