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the best pips for chopping closing the table? |
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scdit46
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Posted: 12/18/2011 at 4:31pm |
I want know that pips rubbers are good for chopping closing the table on BH. Too I want htting or blocking sometimes but especially for chopping near of the table.
Now I use Hallmark Panther 2.0mm. 802-1 is a good option? and TSP Curl P1-R? TSP Curl P-H? TSP Curl P2? My game is of attack on FH and deffense on BH (chopping or hitting). Edited by scdit46 - 12/18/2011 at 5:01pm |
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Called A Topspin
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Get curl P1-R but don't get rubbers like tenergy 64 get Hexer HD for FH. a bit harder
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RedMan
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No don't get TSP P1r. That is great for chopping away from the table but not close. Get a sheet of Grass D.tecs OX. But don't expect to master it over night. It is a rough LP to tame. Make sure you use it on a nice control type bat. Or it might be too fast to handle. Practice with it for about 3 months before you say yes or no.
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The Shakehander
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Tackiness Chop 2/Drive or just use anti spin
Sriver EL is also a good rubber to match your FH for what you want to do.
If you want pip i would go with 802-40 ...i'm trying that Air Panamera from Coles when it gets here ...to see how well it matches up to the 802-40 FH and BH
Edited by The Shakehander - 12/18/2011 at 8:51pm |
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755 0X has nice smooth pips that are flat on top. It allows you to get lots of reversal with blocks but you can also hit with it and get predictable results because the tops of the pips are so flat. Other LP will have a little more grip on top to allow you to create a little bit of spin on flat balls, but you lose a little reversal and a little predictability on attacks with grippier pips.
The difficulty in switching to LP's is that although people say they are spin-insensitive, you still have to know what spin you're dealing with because against backspin you have to push hard (or even just smack, you can attack backspin pretty easily with LP by just hitting it hard and straight) but against topspin you will need to block or chop. |
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gnopgnipster
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Globe 979 OX. They are easy to master, you can hit with them, and over the table you can make spiral screwballs. Did I mention you can chop-block and also chop away from the table?
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scdit46
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On BH I like pips with sponge (1.5, 1.8 or 2.0mm) for chopping near of table and hitting.
Is possible this rubber? I don´t like the pips OX or thin sponge. Some TSP Curl? Now I play with Hallmark Panther 2.0mm on BH. I need help! |
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cotdt
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Should there be sponge or no sponge for close-to-table chopping? Short pips or long pips?
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roar
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The best pips for playing close to the table are frictionless long pips. Take a regular OX sheet of cheap $5 long pips and put them under a heat lamp for a few days or on your windshield during the summer for a couple weeks and you'll have a very slow long pip that reacts unlike what anyone is expecting.
It's illegal and cheating, but as pushblocker and roundrobin have pointed out numerous times, it's impossible to prove with absolute certainty in a tournament - so you can get away with it. |
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The P-2 chops with good control (but not that much reversal), and hits more like a short pimple than a long pimple.
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pnachtwey
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I think 802 1.5mm would work well. I chop, block, top spin and flat hit close to the table with my 802.
Reflectoid 1mm works well for some. For some reason it doesn't for me but a person I play against chops with Reflectoid it all the time. These are difficult to lift. He attacks with Reflectoid too. I know it isn't pips. It is easy to chop at the table with anti. I would bother trying it with the more frictionless antis though. 755 1mm works too. I chop with my hard bat rubbers. Hard bat rubbers don't get enough spin but they are easy to learn with. Hard bat is what got me started chopping in real matches. I have played with all the above and more but these are my choice for close to the table chopping. I just got back from the TT club. I played an experience LP player with new Grass Dtecs on his BH and Raystorm II on the FH. I was playing with my Ball Whacker ( Samsonov Alpha+T05+802 1.5mm ) I had few problems if the LP player just chopped. I could either chop back or attack with top spin with my 802. The LP couldn't get enough spin and the ball came back too slow so I had time to react. 0X LP simply doesn't have the same bite as Reflectoid 1mm or Tibhar Super Defense when it comes to chopping. Frictionless pips are good but around where I play everyone seems to figure out how to play against them unless the LP player attacks. Then LPs are difficult to play against. I have 3 LP paddle myself so I was able to play against the LPs without making too many mental errors. About aging rubbers. I bet it is the UV rays in sunlight that does it. I should find out. I have access to a UV lamp that is used to cure glues. It has all sorts of warnings about looking at the lamp so the UV part must be intense. I have thought about putting a sheet of 804 anti under the lamp to make it closer to frictionless. It would be a very cheap but good anti then. Anti rubbers can be frictionless. I could try it with Pogo too just because it is cheap and sort of close to frictionless already. |
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Can't beat German GDT ox or Chinese GDT ox for bh chopping close to the table. I use either one interchangeably. As to whether to make it "frictionless" or not to help chopping, the answer is a clear "NO". You don't want your pips to be frictionless to chop, because the ball will tend to "glide over" your pips when you execute a full chopping motion and go nowhere. You will end up performing a "chop-hitting-shoving" motion to send the ball back instead of a correct chop stroke with such treated pips. Frictionless pips are for blocking off the bounce only. Once you retreat from the table it will act exactly like an anti when you chop, making spin reversal entirely predictable and readable for experienced players, and the ball will travel very slowly that will give ample time for your opponent to hammer it away with gusto. The best blade to use with GDT ox for backhand chopping is Donic Defplay Senso. I have already used this setup to win many dozens of local "A" division round robins... |
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scdit46
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Weixing plays with TSP Curl P1-R 1.5mm!!!!
Curl P1-R 1.5mm or Curl P2 1.8mm is a good option for chopping near to table? I like the chopping near to table and sometimes hitting. I like the pips with sponge. I need your help! What rubber is better for me? thanks! |
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roundrobin
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You can't chop close to the table with 1.5mm sponge. The sponge will catapult the ball back before you can even perform the chop. It's too fast. You will end up blocking instead of chopping. Chen WX backs away from the table immediately to chop the ball on the drop, so with sponge is okay. He does not play near the table. You should find something with 0.5-0.6mm sponge.
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scdit46
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TSP Curl P1-R 1.5mm is a good option for some reason?
TSP Curl P1-R 1.5mm is suitable for hitting sometimes and chopping on mid distance? Or better TSP Curl P1-R 1.0mm? |
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*Slaps* Edited by IanMcg - 12/25/2011 at 2:55pm |
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To SCDIT46:
Reading back your posts, you are currently using MP on your backhand, correct? I just want to point out going from MP (or inverted) to LP is a big change. You have to re-learn almost every stroke. You have to be certain that this is the way you want to go.
Most LP players that play close to the table are not "choppers" but are "chop blockers" and/or "pushers". There just not enough time to do a full chop like Joo or WX Chen. Most of these blockers use LP's with no sponge, or in some case with an energy absorbing sponge (like Air Zero).
I feel that you may have the term (chop) mixed up with some other strokes. If you can post a video of your play, maybe we can help you better.
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scdit46
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Hi Tuco,
The next training (wednesday) I upload a video of my play. My blade is Nittaku Acoustic. I like because her great control. I know that this blade is not suitable for pips but I assumed. On FH I play with Tenergy 05 max. On BH I play with medium pips on BH (Hallmark Panther 2.0mm). I like this rubber but the pips break easy. BH: On the return service with BH: 95% chopping, 5% hitting. In the play: 50% chopping to mid distance to table, 50% blocking near to table. Aprox. FH: On the return service with FH: 60% chopping, 40% topspin/speed. In the play I try the top spin. I would like try with long pips with sponge (1mm or 1.5mm) for that the chopping be most effective. |
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