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    Posted: 05/19/2012 at 2:47pm
Hi,

I am about to glue my new rubbers on.. Tenergy 05FX and Hurricane 3 (NOT NEO) Provincial.

I am wondering whether I should be using old style VOC glue or water based glue for these?  Is there any difference?  Will either negatively affect either rubber?

I imagine that the H3 will be fine with VOC glue as it has been around for such a long time anyway, and in fact if anything was not designed for water based glue.

The tenergy I have no idea which is best.  I used VOC glue for other modern rubbers, e.g. nimbus, without problem.  The reason I ended up using the old VOC glue was actually because the water based one was rubbish.. the rubber shrank 2 days later!

Then again I may have used a bad water glue (I think it was joola) or they may have improved in the last three years.

The regulations on VOC glues won't affect me.  I play a reasonably high level, but have literally never seen or heard of detectors being used even at top national tournaments.  So please don't see this as a factor.

Any help would be great!!

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There's no water glue that is as good as a VOC glue.
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Originally posted by Tinykin Tinykin wrote:

There's no water glue that is as good as a VOC glue.

From experience I totally agree with you.  However, the reason I am asking is that I have heard that maybe modern rubbers are designed with water glues in mind and that VOC glues can negatively affect the sponge in some rubbers..

Equally, I guess water glue may negatively affect some rubbers that were designed for VOC.. like H3..
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one person said that using voc glue on a modern rubber had caused bubbles in the sponge.  Again don't know if this is necessarily the truth or if the person in question just glued it wrongly.  That is why I am asking :)
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If someone is going to VOC glue his rubbers ,I am going to super glue my long pips :D
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Originally posted by Vladovich Vladovich wrote:

If someone is going to VOC glue his rubbers ,I am going to super glue my long pips :D

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I'm still using Elmer's rubber cement and it still works fine for me..but I'm still using cheap Chinese rubbers.
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Originally posted by gary39 gary39 wrote:

Originally posted by Vladovich Vladovich wrote:

If someone is going to VOC glue his rubbers ,I am going to super glue my long pips :D

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 Speed gluing is a process of putting on multiple coats of glue over days then 1 more an hour before you play and roll and stretch the rubber and repeat after a week, 
where using a VOC glue to put a coat on the sponge and  a coat on the blade wait 3 mins and put together and cut and leave on for 6 months is a whole different World
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Water based glue should not make a rubber shrink... this would have been a property of the rubber, not caused by the glue. Water based glue does not soak into the sponge like VOC-based glues do... it pretty much sits on top of the sponge, so it does not affect the sponge performance (unlike VOC glue which can enhance performance somewhat).
I suggest you use water based glue, at least for the Tenergy, as VOC can affect performance and life-time of these types of rubbers.
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Originally posted by gary39 gary39 wrote:

one person said that using voc glue on a modern rubber had caused bubbles in the sponge.  Again don't know if this is necessarily the truth or if the person in question just glued it wrongly.  That is why I am asking :)

usually a bubble in the sponge is caused by excessive force from 'slapping' the ball over a period of time. people who slap as oppose to looping the ball have problems with bubble in their rubber. my coach often has a problem with bubbles... he slaps a lot of shots
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I'm a huge fan of water based glue, the more I use it the more I like it. If you discount any temporary performance gains you get from VOC glues, water based is better in every way. Easy to remove from the sponge while having a stronger bond to the blade, higher performance in the long term imho even on hard sponges, much less harmful to your health. Is there a need to make a choice?, it's like solar power vs coal, total no brainer
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Originally posted by bluebucket bluebucket wrote:

I'm a huge fan of water based glue, the more I use it the more I like it. If you discount any temporary performance gains you get from VOC glues, water based is better in every way. Easy to remove from the sponge while having a stronger bond to the blade, higher performance in the long term imho even on hard sponges, much less harmful to your health. Is there a need to make a choice?, it's like solar power vs coal, total no brainer

I still find water based glue (WBG) more difficult to handle. I never remove VOC glue from the sponge when I re-use a rubber on another blade, because, after having glued the rubber once, there is no need to put new glue on the sponge: I simply put one very thin layer on the blade, wait 3 min, and roll the sponge on it. Done. I only need one brushful of glue to make a layer on the blade, and the process is so fast I can hold my breath from the moment I open the can to the moment I close it again.
But I'd love to find a good water based glue, because still I think VOC glues are dangerous and can be used agaist the rules. What WBG do you use?
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The same with w/b glue. After removing the rubber from the blade - it comes up with all the glue from the blade, - you only glue once the blade and baby-oil the sponge to soften the attached glue.

I even stick topsheet to the sponge with w/b glue.
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