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Leshxa
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Sorry, BayTT
Looks like you're a bit late on the equipment discussion. Andy performed well, so whatever he decided to do in terms of equipment essentially did not matter. The result is what mattered the most - wins in the tournament. |
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bayttplayer
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Opps...Sorry..I didn't read all post.
Yes! the result is most important! Congratulation! |
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Innerforce-ZLC FL + H3 + T80
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hookumsnivy
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Can you clarify a few things for me about this post? 1. Why do you say a 1600 player is just starting to develop looping technique? You can be 1600 with a really good loop but lacking in other areas such as service return. You can have the best loop in the world, but if you can't read and return a serve you're not going to be 1600. 2. If you really know how to loop properly, adjusting to new rubber (of the same basic style) shouldn't be that difficult to change. It might be difficult to switch from soft euro rubber to hard tacky Chinese rubber because of how different they are, but switching from tensor to tensor or tenergies shouldn't be bad at all. What rubber were you trying to switch to that gave you so much trouble?
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bayttplayer
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1. give me an example, who has the best loop in the world and got 1600? if you can't read and return the a serve how can you read the spin when you loop? Again, just my opinion I didn't see any 1600 adult player knows how to loops yet (except kids), maybe there's some, but this's in general most 1600 player's looping you can easyly see is wrong. Until now I over 2000 but still adjust my strokes a little which I think is develop. 2. I try switch chinese rubber to T05, and some euro rubber. Just won't able to satisfy the power I want, especially when counter looping, Chinese rubber can hold the ball when at very low angle. |
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decoi
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vega asia is another easy to use rubber
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andy.h
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Hey, I get to get credit in this wins too! Usually I tend to rush into my games and start thinking less and less the further the game advances. Having a 2-0 lead and loosing 2-3 is a usual story for me since I start playing on auto-pilot without thinking. Alex kept me "sane" between games: slapped me a couple of times to make me come back to my mind, made me breath and clear my mind and calm down. That helped a lot, thanks! |
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WTG Andy!
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Leshxa
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Thanks for the credit, but trust me. I did very little. You had it in you all the time. Just kept getting too excited in taking early leads. :) Congrats again! Hope to see you soon in other tournaments. |
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JimT
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Now Andy needs to learn how to hold on to the winning lead - I can see he lost a couple of close matches from 2-0 and 2-1. So some tactical experience and psychological wisdom should certainly be on the agenda for the next few months. Congrats on the wins and good rating!
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frogger
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I'm no big fan of Tenergy but T05 FX 1.9 is not bad for players 1500-up. I think to many mid level tournament players pick rubbers that are to thick for their style. 1.8 or 2.0 fits the bill very well for us non pro's. T05 FX 1.9 is still plenty fast. Calibra LT 1.8 is still a beast.
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andy.h
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Any advises here? It's not something you can pick up from viewing matches or tutorials on YouTube :) Alex gave me one advise which actually helped a lot: think about how you breathe, how you inhale, how you exhale. Takes your mind off the game and calms you down really nice. My kids, who were watching the games, gave me another one: smile. Even a forced smile takes away your tension and makes you relax before the next point. Plus, it confuses your opponent, especially Chinese people for some reason :) |
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Leshxa
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Can't take credit on that one. I got it from reading a great tennis book. Here is my review of that fantastic book. |
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bluebucket
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It's pointless winning the first game 11-5 if it's going to cost you the match. You are far better not using your good serves or playing to their weakness too much and take the first 2 games 11-8. Then bring your A game and win the third easily. You can't adapt to something you haven't seen. One of the more important strategies in table tennis I feel is only using what you have to and nothing more.
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hookumsnivy
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The breathing one doesn't work for me. It actually has the exact opposite effect - especially when I'm getting frustrated by my own mistakes. It makes me think about them even more.
The smiling thing works better for me. I try to think of something funny outside of table tennis to relax and it tends to calm me down for the moment.
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kickass
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really??? Chinese people get confused by smiles? |
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andy.h
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That is my problem exactly - I have no plan B. I have only plan A - loop, loop, loop as hard as I can. In the beginning this is overwhelming even for players 200-300 points above me, but in contrast to me they are skilled enough to adapt to my game, while I can't change a thing. In my previous westchester open I started 11:1 against a 1950 player and ended up loosing 2:3. He adapted, I didn't. |
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andy.h
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Well, I only tried this "trick" on four people during my last tournament. Didn't work on older American dude , Japanese kid was too concerned with his own failures, but both Chinese players got kinda confused: they started smiling back and went from "furious combat" mode to "exhibition" mode which game me a couple of easy points. A guy from my club experienced the same thing: he was down 2:1 and losing the forth, started smiling, his Chinese opponent got relaxed and lost the match. Could be a coincidence, of course. And statistically speaking my sampling was too small to generalize of course. NO OFFENCE meant Chinese people :)
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hookumsnivy
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Ditto for me. Same thing goes for me serves too. They typically give my opponents trouble for the 1st couple of games and when they adapt I'm so used to getting the easy ponits/returns that I stop moving and all of a sudden I lose all those points
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bluebucket
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andy.h the difference between levels of table tennis players apart from the few that have such exquisite strokes that they can mindlessly play at a fairly high level. Apart from those few, table tennis is only about how well you can condition the opponents mind and how well you can disguise your pace, spin and placement variation and how much variation you have in the bank.
Most players under US2000 have no idea why they are missing the ball full stop, not only that I'd go so far to say most 2100 players have no idea why they are missing the ball against a 2400 player and again.. A 2400 player would have no idea against a professional player. It's almost never your own fault you miss the ball, it's all about what the other player has done to your head and then what he has done slightly different to what he's made your head used to. Basic first step example is... 3 heavy pushes and then a light one, a 1500 player wont pick it, probably hit it clean off the end of the table, not only that, he's dumped the first 2 in the net. At least 3 free points, possibly 4 in a row, that's basically game over. You can add endless complications to that same plan, that's table tennis and beating humans at anything in a nutshell. Professional drivers do the same exact thing by braking into a corner slightly earlier than usual for a few laps, perhaps only a foot earlier each lap. Then once the guy in front believes that is the braking point they go straight on past. So long as you are the guy controlling the other guys head, and by doing so are always one step ahead, you wont lose a match
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icontek
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Hallelujah! The first match against a higher rated player tonight, I figured out that the occasional fast topspin service would cause him to hit (albeit weakly), and then I could counter attack with a loop or a smash depending on height... By game two, those serves did nothing, he simply placed the ball safely to force me to move and produce a weaker attack that he could then block or counter.
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I tried to spam and they caught me within 20 minutes. Please report people like me who are trying to sell Michael Kors handbags and free DVDs online.
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icontek
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I simply could not resist editing his post. Call me juvenile, but I could have been much more harsh.
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atv
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LoL, interesting observations, actually the smile does mean "go easy on me" sometimes |
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