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Bty Primorac EX vs Stiga Energy WRB |
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~stiga21~
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Posted: 10/16/2012 at 3:26am |
Has anyone used both the Bty Primorac EX and the Stiga Energy WRB? How do the two blades compare for speed and feel? The Energy is usually described as a good looping blade. Does the Primorac EX also share this characteristic?
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frogger
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Energy Wood WRB is flexy OFF- blade good for looping. Pretty decent blade with lots of vibration. Seal, seal, seal this blade or it's splinter city. Primorac EX is stiffer, faster than Energy Wood. The regular Primorac OFF- in my opinion is a far better blade than the EX version (ugly blade).
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mikepong
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i just have to laugh at your comment, although i havent played with the primo ex i must say that by just going with the outer appearance its not really the best design of BTY the primorac off on the other hand is a very handsome looking blade IMHO @ stiga21 sorry i cant compare both since i have not tried primo ex but im confident to say that in terms of spinny loops, stiga energy is the real deal |
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~stiga21~
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LOL...yeah the color scheme of the Primorac EX is not my first choice either.
My situation is that I have recently been using a Bty SK7 (Japanese non-Korbel version), but when I switched to a spare Energy WRB that I had, my loops and drives feel more consistent and predictable when using the same rubber (at the expense of being a bit slower).
I really like the quality of the japanese Bty blades and the handle shape on the SK7, and based on online pics and Bty specs, the handle on the Primorac EX is similar to the SK7 (minus the nice color scheme of the SK7).
Maybe I will just stick with the Energy WRB for now...I can't decide.
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LaRedoute
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uglier is worse ... whatta stupid conclusion?!
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~stiga21~
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My conclusion wasn't based on the Primorac EX being ugly, it was based on others saying that the Primorac EX is stiffer and faster than the Stiga Energy WRB (and probably not as spinny as a result). |
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doraemon
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NO....... Primorac EX has better feel compared to Energy WRB. I have used both. Energy WRB is head heavy. Mine is 75 grams, thus it does not feel too heavy. My Primorac EX is around 87 - 88 grams if I remember correctly, but it feels balanced and not heavy. It is better for looping, really, it has this trampoline effect that ordinary Primorac Off- lacks. I own Primorac Off- also and I have to agree with reviewer at tt-news.de (German forum) that Primorac EX is an upgrade of normal Primorac Off-. It has livelier feel, better control, and faster. Loop like hell also. Don't judge book by its cover.
If you buy Primorac EX, you surely get Japanese made Primorac EX. Thickness is 5.7 mm. If you buy Primorac Off-, well, you might get either Japanese or Hungarian made Primorac. And they are different. According to BTY catalog (Japanese), the thickness of Primorac Off- is 5.5 mm but my European Primorac Off- is 6.0 mm thick !!! It's 0.1 mm thicker than my Korbel (5.9 mm). So it's not flexy but rather stiff. EDIT: I own Darker, Accoustic and Violin.... They are very beautiful blades... But if they do not suit my play, I better use an uglier blade but give me more winning percentages. Edited by doraemon - 10/16/2012 at 11:53pm |
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~stiga21~
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Thanks for the info doraemon. I think I will go for it and try the Primorac EX.
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kickass
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No buy Stiga Energy WRB. Chen Qi used it. That alone ia enough said. No pro uses Primorac EX. Not even regular one I think. Energy WRB is the 5-ply version of Clipper which again is used by many pros. Many pros can't be all wrong. But you're not a pro so jusy use the lighter version - Energy WRB.
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frogger
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I think the blade designers graduated from the University Of BUTTFUGLY....with honors. Where are the handsome nice looking new blades? Some Joola, BTY (of late) Tibar blades look like they belong in a thrift store. I guess their thinking is the wilder the color scheme the better the blade will perform. The next thing will be silly graphics like scorpions, sharks and Pokeymon.
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Nagatito
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I think that Butterfly blades have cool designs but they make bad choices with the colors. I love the TB ALC and ZLC colors and designs, also Iolite Neo, Primorac Off-, MJ and others.
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frogger
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Agree Primorac OFF- and MJ, TBS, TB ALC are very nice looking. Joola wing series look like something out of a comic book. Primorac EX is pretty bad with the cosmetics but hopefully it plays better than it looks.
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doraemon
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I probably need to make myself clear here.
Aesthetic wise, I prefer classic looking blade like Stiga Allround Classic and the newer one like OSP blades. BTY Korbel and Primorac Off- are nice looking blades also. What I am saying here is that I like the older look of Primorac but it is wrong to judge the newer Primorac just by its appearance. If I can choose, I will use Primorac EX that looks like classic Primorac, but hey, you're right, the trend is going toward colorful blades. I, myself, am an old fashioned guy. |
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~stiga21~
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I gave in to the EJ bug and got the Primorac EX! I haven't had a chance to try it yet as it just arrived today and I'm in the process of letting a coat of poly sealer dry on it.
The Primorac EX looks like a very nice blade. Build quality is top notch and is much better than the Energy WRB, but that is somewhat understandable given the price difference.
Even though the Energy WRB and Primorac EX are about the same thickness (5.7-5.8mm), the ply thickness between the two is quite different. The middle ply in the EX is significantly thinner and the secondary plies are thicker, when compared to the Energy WRB. It will be interesting to see how this relates to difference in play.
The secondary plies in the EX appear to be a solid wood veneer (limba?), while the secondary (blue colored) ply in the Energy WRB appears to be "fineline" wood. I could be wrong about it being "fineline", but the grain in the blue colored plies has vertical lines in it that are a little too evenly spaced to be natural.
My Primorac EX is 88gr, while my Energy WRB is 89gr (yes...that is heavy for a Energy WRB). Both blades are ST handle.
I will post a review of the EX once I have a chance to play with it.
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adishorul
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We are still expecting your review... now more than ever considering the production of japanese primorac off- was closed on 21th of November 2012..
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~stiga21~
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Sorry for the delay. My wife and I are expecting our second baby any day and things have been hectic here.
Overall, I am very happy with the Primorac EX and plan to keep using it for the foreseeable future. Since my last post I have been playing approximately 4-6 hrs per week with the Primorac EX and I am currently using Donic F2 (max thickness) on my FH and Joola Samba (max thickness) on my BH.
In terms of speed and spin capability, I feel the Primorac EX is very similar to the Energy WRB, but I find the balance of the Primorac EX is an improvement over the head-heavy feel of the Energy WRB. I always found that the head-heavy feel of the Energy WRB made it harder to add wrist action to serves, pushes, and looping underspin balls. The Primorac EX also has a nicer hit feel than the Energy WRB, with a more defined and solid feedback when the ball hits the blade. In comparison, the Energy WRB sort of has a hollow, muffled feel in my opinion.
The thickness and width of the ST handle on the Primorac EX matches the dimensions provided by Bty: 23mm thickness and 28mm width. I would prefer something slightly larger because I have big hands, but it's not a deal breaker for me.
If you have any more questions, I will try to help. Sorry, I have never used the Primorac Off- that is being discontinued, so I can't make a comparison of the Primorac EX and the Primorac Off-.
Take care everyone!
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Pondus
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Congratulations... and best of luck.
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Imago
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Take pictures of both babies.
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~stiga21~
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Thanks! We had a healthy baby daughter on Dec 31! In the words of my 2.5 year old daughter, they are now 'two new friends'. Hopefully that continues into their teen-age years.
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