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I currently own and play with the Xiom Axelo and Zetro Quad blades. Comments above about the thin handles are quite true. I fix that by putting on a grip tape and they now fit perfectly in my hand.
Axelo as anyone here has used it would attest to it being a fast blade. I have the M1 and Dtecs OX on it. Initially, for the first hour or so, it was a wild beast. Once 'tamed', this bat well and truly feels good in my hand. I believe it is my best bat ever. I just love the feel of the ball on the DTecs and that FH with M1 smash is almost unreturnable.
As for the Zetro Quad, I have the T05 and DTecs OX on it. With this combination, it is a really nice looping bat on the FH and great chop/block on the BH. However, after having used the Axelo and gotten used to it, I find the ZQ 'slow'. But a few of my friends who tried it thinks it is fast. AND, I have been able to beat a couple of players with this bat that I have never been able to beat before. But I must admit, I feel more confident wielding the Axelo even though I have slightly better result with this bat. Probably because I played with the Axelo much longer and therefore got used to it more.
In any case, visually, both blades are beauties. They look of really high quality. I personally could not be happier. If I had to buy a back up blade, I will certainly go for the Axelo.
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I use Tibhar Genius (F/H) and Yasaka Phantom 007 on Max Friendship sponge (B/H). playing an attacking and blocking/counter-attacking game on B/H and topspin/very spinny fast loop-drive game on F/H

I have 4 blades (all with straight handles):
Xiom Stradivarius - as compared to the Xiom, the handles on the following are:
Taico 200 - Very slightly narrower and almost identical in thickness
Tibhar Samsonov Techno-Power - Slightly narrower and very slightly thicker
Joola Wing Passion Fast - Very slightly narrower and almost identical in thickness

Confused I'm confused, unless all four of the above blades are much thinner than average (and I can't recall thinking the Taico - the oldest above blade - was noticeably thinner than my previous blade, a Butterfly Kenny ) then I would say the Xiom is close to the norm (and my hands are average in size, at least). However, the Xiom is recently purchased; maybe they have changed the handles.

As far as the playing characteristics of the Xiom are concerned, it is:
- Well made.
- Probably Offensive minus --> Offensive in speed.
- Lacking a little, as compared to the Taico and Joola, in touch/feeling (this could be because of the carbon/aramid layer) so lacking a little in control
- Despite above, good for heavy topspin close to and away from the table and for counter hitting and flat hitting on my F/H.
- Very consistent in playing strokes (again, probably down to the carbon/aramid layer)


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Originally posted by Anton Chigurh Anton Chigurh wrote:

I know they recently released a non-ESN rubber. I'd be interested in trying that.

Any idea which one that is?
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Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

Originally posted by Anton Chigurh Anton Chigurh wrote:

I know they recently released a non-ESN rubber. I'd be interested in trying that.

Any idea which one that is?


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That's made in Germany, so I expect it's still an ESN rubber, just not a Tensor.


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Oops, sorry ...  to my knowledge Tensor rubbers do associate with ESN.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote haggisv Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/28/2013 at 10:39pm
Yes you're right there... all Tensors are ESN (Tensor is a trademark owned by ESN), however not all ESN rubbers are Tensors... they have many non-tensor rubbers, and it sounds like Musa is one of those.

I'm not sure if Anton was thinking of the same one, or another new one that's not yet available.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote beeray1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/29/2013 at 1:14am
I like their blades a lot. I own a Solo and an Offensive S. I was unlucky as the offensive S already chipped and I've only owned it a week and a half, but they are well finished. I think the FL handle is still better than, say, the FL handle on a Korbel or an Acoustic. They also have a better balance- even if the weight is higher. I've seen 3 offensive S blades, and everyone seemed to play identical, which speaks to the QC. 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote watchski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/29/2013 at 9:23am
I am selling a Xiom Hayabusa Z+ which is a pretty cool blade.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote signal02 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/29/2013 at 10:04pm
clean up your mailbox.  My pm  bounced back.  I was referring to the M2.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote haggisv Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01/29/2013 at 10:11pm
My biggest grip with XIOM is probably that they discontinue their items a little too quickly. it's very annoying when you find something you like, and when you';re ready to buy another one it's no longer available!
It's even worse for rubbers,when they remove them from ITTF approval. Guillotine comes to mind, which was removed from the list soon after it was discontinued. I think they should leave them on the list at least for a few years, to support the customers that bought them.

I like their products though, good quality stuff from what I've seen.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote alphapong Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/02/2013 at 2:17pm

Our top kid's have all switched to Xiom in the last couple months and are playing well. For blades our favorites are Offensive S, Aria Lite and Zi. These fit in the "controlled attack" offensive- to offensive range. I have been using the Aigis for chop, chop block and hit with my C7 and like it a LOT. The quality on all the blades is first rate. 

Our players that previously used Chinese rubber seem to prefer Omega IV Pro. It has less"boing" than typical ESN Tensors. Our players that were using Japanese and European rubbers seem to prefer the Sigma over Omega. The new Sigma II is being very well received and has more dwell time than Sigma I. We are finding all the rubbers much more durable than early ESN products. 

The surprise out of the new rubbers is Vega Japan. This one is VERY NICE. I don't know why they called this "Vega Japan". It is not the old Vega top sheet, and it's not Japanese sponge. Completely different. Our top junior (around USATT 2300) who previously used that $80 rubber on his forehand chose Vega Japan as his favorite Xiom forehand rubber and is playing well with it.


(Disclosure - Xiom is sponsoring our junior program. But if our kid's were not able to play well with the product,  they definitely would not use it.)

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rich215 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/02/2013 at 4:30pm
I have been waiting to hear about Xiom Vega Japan.   alphapong...what can you tell us about this rubber?  
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Well for starters I was not expecting too much from this rubber since it is part of the older Vega series. When it came in I hit a few balls with it and it felt very nice, so I gave it and the new Sigma 2 rubbers to one of our top juniors to try. I was surprised when he said he liked it a lot and chose it as his new forehand rubber.

He used to play $80 on the forehand and $80 fx and the backhand and he is now playing Vega Japan forehand and Sigma II Europe on the backhand.

Tonight I asked him “What if anything do you think you are giving up with the change in rubbers? Spin? Speed? Serve? Receive? “ His answer. “I don’t think I am giving anything up, and I prefer the Sigma II Europe over what I was using on my backhand before.”

After our conversation he then proceeded to win $100 in our monthly tournament beating a 2600 player in the final. So I don’t think we can say his level has dropped much with the rubber change.

I hit some with it briefly and found that the feel is more “Japanese”.  It is medium hard, the response is very linear and it has less ”boing” than ESN rubbers usually have. It plays very controlled in the short game, but when you swing hard the speed come out. It reminded me a “little” of HPB, but a bit more lively. It is also very spinny.

I have not yet seen the MSRP on this rubber, but based on the wholesale, I think it will be under $50. The manager of the US branch of Xiom told me he think it is destined to be their best seller. At that price point I would tend to agree.

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I just glued a Sigma II Euro for my forehand and I think it was too soft - kind of light too.
I had Sigma II Pro on my other CPen,

i'm thinking of going Sigma II pro for FH and Sigma II Euro for BH or maybe Omega IV Euro for BH
I tried Omega IV Elite on BH - it was indeed slower and more control, but was just too light (weight wise) for me.



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Which do you think are the most & least durable series?
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Any more info on Vega Japan? It sounds interesting. Do we know anything about how hard the sponge is, or whether the topsheet is grippy or tacky?

Edited by ckhirnigs113 - 02/12/2013 at 2:02pm
Blade: Victas Koji Matsushita FL
FH: Xiom Vega Japan MAX
BH: TSP P-1R 1.0mm
USATT Rating: 1947
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