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Originally posted by mertus mertus wrote:

Originally posted by jabemu jabemu wrote:

Hi, I can suppose that all the users of Tau I are using it without booster??, if it is so I dont understand.

I had one in black some months ago and after 15 minutes I get off of the blade...to much spin with very high arc but without speed, a player with medium level can smash all my topspins, my conclusion was: it need booster.
 
jabemu, are you normally using chinese rubbers in your forehand?
IMHO if you are coming from euro/jap rubber and have just recently used a chinese rubber then it must be your stroke.Smile


I have been used hard and very tacky TG2 in my FH for many years with speed glue, now I give "live" to that rubber via different ways Wink

Chronos is using my Tau now, I don't know if it is different to the rest ones (bought at tabletennis11)
Joel, can you say me how have you found that rubber with your blades??





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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Roger Stillabower Roger Stillabower wrote:

I would like to know how this Tau rubber compares to Haifu Whale 2 Red Sponge rubber ?

There are some similarities between the Whale 2 and Tau.  They generally encourage similar playing style.  Tau, to me, is a little spinnier on attacking low underspin balls, while Whale 2 is a little better at driving through spin.

Away from the table, Tau seems to have more top end speed with similar spin.  It is an odd effect since on slower shots Tau has short(ish) dwell time, while on harder shots the dwell is a little longer than expected, so I can really make the ball spin on big loops.

Keep in mind that I have tried a few sheets of Whale 2 and they were quite dissimilar from each other.  The best Whale 2 sheet I had was fairly close to Tau, while the rest of them were rather different.

I ultimately gave up on Haifu rubbers fo rthe same reason I gave up on DHS: inconsistency.  If DHS or Haifu could come up with asimialr rubber formulation and produce it consistently in a commercially available product, I would be playing with it rather than turning toward more expensive rubbers like Tau.
 
koshkin, just wondering how is it doing now with your Tau after 5 months... Can you still feel the tension? How about the topsheet durability compared to DHS H3? Thanks in advance! Smile
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Tau is good stuff - I trained with this for about a month, the rubber still looked new.

I went back to H3 and am happier though :( old habits die hard.

Compared to H3 you get more juice and kick on service for sure, more power / spring off the table.

3 small complaints from me - yep, this rubber throws lower when you hit hard.  This is weird, giving me more nets (I hit HARD off the forehand) and is just something I'm not accustomed to from the linear H3.  It's not a bad thing though, the shot off the rubber is low and so heavy.

Another complaint is a little less hand feeling / feedback compared to H3, but blade choice might help "adust" for that.

Final compromise is, at least for me I had trouble with medium / brush shots with this rubber but again that is coming from H3 which if you're used to it is great in that department (relax, engage the topsheet with medium force and get a high-control, very spinny ball).  But this might go away with more training / technique change.

I'll revisit it for sure - I need to play around with blade a bit - I had it on clipper CC which also is a little hard / fast and less feeling.  Will post more, still highly recommend this for a high-performing tacky rubber, to me its the best thing out there besides H3 + whale.
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Originally posted by mertus mertus wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Roger Stillabower Roger Stillabower wrote:

I would like to know how this Tau rubber compares to Haifu Whale 2 Red Sponge rubber ?

There are some similarities between the Whale 2 and Tau.  They generally encourage similar playing style.  Tau, to me, is a little spinnier on attacking low underspin balls, while Whale 2 is a little better at driving through spin.

Away from the table, Tau seems to have more top end speed with similar spin.  It is an odd effect since on slower shots Tau has short(ish) dwell time, while on harder shots the dwell is a little longer than expected, so I can really make the ball spin on big loops.

Keep in mind that I have tried a few sheets of Whale 2 and they were quite dissimilar from each other.  The best Whale 2 sheet I had was fairly close to Tau, while the rest of them were rather different.

I ultimately gave up on Haifu rubbers fo rthe same reason I gave up on DHS: inconsistency.  If DHS or Haifu could come up with asimialr rubber formulation and produce it consistently in a commercially available product, I would be playing with it rather than turning toward more expensive rubbers like Tau.
 
koshkin, just wondering how is it doing now with your Tau after 5 months... Can you still feel the tension? How about the topsheet durability compared to DHS H3? Thanks in advance! Smile

I have been going to and from Tau for the last five months and ultimately decided I like it a little more on the BH than FH.  On the FH, my block is not good enough for Tau, while my footwork is not good enough to always be aggressive.  I went to a mechanical grip rubber on the FH.

As far as durability goes, it seems quite good.  I kill rubbers pretty quickly and Tau is holding its own pretty well although I see some deterioration.  I would estimate its lifetime is about 40% longer than that of Tenergy 80 based on my experience with both.

Like with all rubbers I use the bond between the topsheet and sponge at the spot where I typically hit the ball is what starts going first.  There are slight changes in Tau's behavior now that suggest I will get another 5-10 hours of play out of it.

The way I kill rubbers is funny, sort of: they look like they are in good condition, but there are enough pips broken around the sweetspot to make it unplayable any further.

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I have been trying Tau for 2 weeks now and the conclusion is - sorry Generalspecific, I fully respect your opinion and enthusiasm about it - it is not good and a waste of money.

I had expected it to be a LOT more consistent than the average Chinese rubber at around USD 15 and this rubber far from that it. It almost feels like a commercial H3 except the topsheet is a bit more supple. It does not give more spin than the newest generation tensors but it gives you more inconsistency Evil Smile

As was said before, it is non-reactive to boosting. So to those wondering whether it is as good as a H3 for USD 80: not at all.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GeneralSpecific Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/27/2013 at 6:01pm
Hey man it's cool. Like I said, Tau isn't for everyone. I'm actually about to switch off of Chinese style anyway.
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I went from a jap/euro to H3 prov. boosted and I don't think that I could go back for the f/h rubber.
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It's not really USD 80, I think you can pick it up from ttnpp for like $40ish or so. I have to agree with Hans though, the unpredictability with this rubber bothers me.

For push shots, serves , counter hits and top spins it seems to play fine.
When you start throwing your entire body into the stroke for a loop drive, that's where the problems show up. The rubber starts behaving wildly.

Some of it is definitely my technique but when performing the same stroke with H3, the shot seems more stable.

All of this leads me to believe that tensors really aren't meant for Chinese style rubbers. Boosted H3 behaves differently, it's faster and more lively but the speed feel is still linear.
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Hans I have to challenge your post.

1) what chinese rubbers have you used, and how long.
2) you're comparing this to the "newest generation tensors" - this is not meant for people playing with tenergy etc on the forehand, so don't expect it to be a substitute, at all.  That statement is a huge red flag.
3) boosting?  don't boost this.  You probably shouldn't boost h3 if you use it regularly unless your counter loop is lacking a little punch but I have no idea why you're trying to boost tau.

As a long time h3 user (prov/national/blue sponge etc) Tau is fantastic but I had some small problems using it with my current setup at the time (clipper cc) - lower throw, more like skyline 3, and less feeling.  Ball leaves a little faster compared to h3.

I think changing to a slower, more feeling blade would solve both of those problems.  Actually I did that anyway, but haven't tried tau in the meantime.  But I'll try it again in the near term.

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Originally posted by chronos chronos wrote:

Hans I have to challenge your post.

1) what chinese rubbers have you used, and how long.
2) you're comparing this to the "newest generation tensors" - this is not meant for people playing with tenergy etc on the forehand, so don't expect it to be a substitute, at all.  That statement is a huge red flag.
3) boosting?  don't boost this.  You probably shouldn't boost h3 if you use it regularly unless your counter loop is lacking a little punch but I have no idea why you're trying to boost tau.

As a long time h3 user (prov/national/blue sponge etc) Tau is fantastic but I had some small problems using it with my current setup at the time (clipper cc) - lower throw, more like skyline 3, and less feeling.  Ball leaves a little faster compared to h3.

I think changing to a slower, more feeling blade would solve both of those problems.  Actually I did that anyway, but haven't tried tau in the meantime.  But I'll try it again in the near term.

Chronos, did you not have a problem with the unpredictability of Tau when using stronger strokes? When I really opened up with Tau I noticed that the ball seemed to go a little wild. Definitely less control on stronger shots but softer shots the control was fine.

I'll second you on the throw, after coming back from H3 I felt like I had to definitely go up more with my stroke for Tau. 

Tau felt fine when just rallying for fun at the table. But during a game, when the pressure is on and your strokes aren't as technically correct - Tau really punishes you hard for it. 
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Interesting gatorling I had the opposite experience - the rubber was great when I went all out but the lack of feeling made medium shots a little harder for me over h3.  The lower throw was a little dangerous when hitting hard as well, easier to hit the net compared to h3.  I should really try it on other blades.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Roger Stillabower Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/28/2013 at 5:39pm
One thing I like about the H3 Prov. is it is lighter in weight than a comm., they say Nat is even lighter by 4,5 grams cut than what a Prov. is. I don't know for I have not tried a H3 Nat. yet.
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Tau is very predictable in all range of shots, but yes it requires more precise technique because of its extremely hard sponge. What I discovered just recently is that it plays better on carbon blades - the same thing was true with Thor's - I am not talking about higher speed (which is quite obvious), the overall feel and ball control are much better with carbon.
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Sorry for necroposting, I decided not to add another thread related to this rubber

How does Tau performed when using plastic balls nowadays ?

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Originally posted by comodoensis comodoensis wrote:

Sorry for necroposting, I decided not to add another thread related to this rubber

How does Tau performed when using plastic balls nowadays ?

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Not a problem I'm still around Wink. I haven't really used Tau much in quite a long time. I did briefly hit with a friend of mine's blade and the new ball. I'd say that the new ball definitely allows a little more room for error than the celluloid ball but Tau is still a very difficult rubber to use against topspin. For someone who loves Chinese style rubber and has the proper form and constant athleticism to match, Tau is still a great rubber and a fine choice for that type of player with the new ball.

Though, the reason I gave up on Tau is that it's just plain difficult to handle incoming topspin with it and to counterloop with it.

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