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chalo_sterling
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Posted: 06/21/2013 at 5:12pm |
i'm a short pips player and one of my favorite female players is the retired li jia wei... searching about her equipment, i found that the last 2 years of her career approximately she change from tsp hino-carbon power to a clipper so in this moment i'm saving money for change my blade... and the info that i found about the change of li jia wei, i raised questions about why did she this change? what offer clippers different to hino-carbon? maybe she needed a speed reduction and more control? i have a new sheet of pips for put in my next blade (a spectol 21 2.1mm the same that i use) and i plan to continue with the h3 neo that i using just now (for only change one thing at same time) while i adapt... so i need a blade stiff (for better perfomance of my pips but with the enough dwell time for my fh rubber), soft touch (i don't like much vibrations), with high speed, good control... my style is like wang tao... quick and continual attack... sometime ago i thinked in bty viscaria... because 10 or 9 years ago i can test for few minutes and i like it (in this time i was starting in the table tennis world... so i'm not sure now), and in addition to that tang peng use a zjk alc, and the zjk alc is similar to viscaria but with less speed and very higher price... even the viscaria have a higher price... watching videos in youtube i could see the hino-carbon power in the hand of li jia wei and i search information about this blade (i didn't know it but a friend have the tsp hinoki pure that is excellent and top quality blade and i think tsp is one of the best brands) but i didn't found much other options that i was looking is the stiga hybridwod or clipper cc but those blades not convinced me Edited by chalo_sterling - 06/23/2013 at 6:24pm |
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decoi
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short pips on a clipper are quite fast esp if they are soft springy pips. and the likes of hurricane always work well on the blade
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Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao
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Edited by chalo_sterling - 06/24/2013 at 1:18am |
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Blade: Stiga Clipper CC
Forehand rubber: DHS TG Skyline 3 NEO Backhand rubber: Xiom Zava I |
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decoi
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ii would presume the hino carbon is going to be rather stiff it might suit the chinese rubber but it wont be too good for the pips i would assume.. clipper would be a safe bet really, they dont cost that much and you could alwasy get a clone from HRT which costs 20USD
thinking of getting one jsut to keep my old clipper wood safe even though its a very sturdy blade. plus you get a better feel for the ball especially with all wood blades, carbon seems to deaden the feel for the ball.. there is an unwritten rule, which really should be a rule full stop. "When in doubt Clipper Wood"
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Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao
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chalo_sterling
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if you see videos from speed glue era, there are a lot of top players using clippers but if you see videos after glue ban the number of players that use clipper is reduced. personally, i feel that it's necessary move to a faster blade to compensate the totally the speed gained in the speed glue era, because dhs neo series not compesate totally the no use of speed glue maybe the spectol will be ok in the clipper but... i think that my fh maybe not... i like the dhs rubbers for fh, euro/jap rubbers are good but it isn't my style, my style since some years ago is to use a chinese rubber... by the above, sometime ago i thought in stiga hybridwood and clipper cristal carbo... but... i don't know... i read some bad reviews about some stiga modern blades (ebenholz and other that i don't remember)... and the hybridwood and clipper cristal carbo have high price... and i don't know if really are products with enough quality for those prices my idea at the moment of write the topic was compare the tsp hino-carbon power with other blades highly recommended for short pips players or at least compare with blades best known my insistence and curiosity with the tsp is for the next reasons: 1-tsp have excellent quality in their products (a friend have a tsp hinoki pure and is very very good blade) 2-if li jia wei use this blade between 2005 or 2006 to 2010 (the best years in her career) is because it must be good blade for short pips players (some people said that li use a bty sardius before the tsp hino-carbon) however, as in previous reply i said, in this moment i'm saving money for buy... i'm a university student with little money, so i have 1 or 2 months to think about the correct blade for me and saving the enough money but i want to hear opinions, new ideas, suggestions and advices for be really sure that all my effort to save money have a good purpose, choose a blade that suits me Edited by chalo_sterling - 06/24/2013 at 1:18am |
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Blade: Stiga Clipper CC
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ChichoFicho
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Hino Carbon is suitable for advanced players.
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bluebucket
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The TSP hino carbon is tons faster than a clipper, I guess she wanted some extra control after the baby and less training, she also changed to haifu rubbers late in her career
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ChichoFicho
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Amateur and low level players cannot use Hino Carbon effectively. Clipper is slower and thus better suited to them.
Edited by ChichoFicho - 06/22/2013 at 10:49am |
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decoi
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just because it works for her doesnt mean it will for you by the way...
and chinese rubbers even if they are not speed glue of boosted are still ok on clipper and if you are using Neo rubbers then there is no problem. |
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Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao
FH: TG3 BS BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656) Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3 Bh: Stiga Tour H http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee |
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chalo_sterling
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this isn't a problem... i have good technical basis... i learned to play table tennis at same time, with same coaches of paula medina (the best colombian table tennis player of all times)... i don't have problem with fast equipment, in fact before i stopped to play in 2007, i used a very speedy arylate/carbon blade (bty iolite)... i could use and play well with a bty primorac carbon, schlager carbon or sardius but the problem with those blades is that aren't suitables with chinese rubbers because are too much stiff and hard... with too little dwell time... so now when i returned to trainings and participated in university championships i want a blade faster, with less vibrations and a little better for short pips than my h-wl but also suitable for my fh dhs rubber
thanks, yes i also thought that with a baby she may have less time for train and a fast equipment require more time of training because need more control in the hands, i didn't know that she change spectol 21 for haifu dolphin (or maybe penguin)... does you have played or tested the hino-carbon? can you compare hino-carbon with other blades that you have played? i like to know about the speed/control ratio, the touch (vibrations) and how feel it in the hand during various situations that may arise in a match, because sometimes the manufacturers descriptions are not 100% reliable
of course!! players like ma long or zhang jike have differents needs to amateur or lower level players even between the chinese team every player have specific needs! for example zhang jike need a more controled rubber (h3) because play more close to the table and ma long need more dynamical and powerful rubber (tg3) my problem is that the difference between my old h2 with speed glue in a iolite to my actual h3 neo in a h-wl is to consider, when i play with good players (for example 3 played in the 3rd and after in the 2nd division of german league in the last years, other in the 2nd division of portugal league) that use very fast blades (timo boll alc and other use timo boll zlc) with tenergys, in the rallies i feel my attacks haven't the enough power, even some of them (that they were my training partners) told me that my equipment don't have the enough power... this is the reason because i'm searching faster blade than my actual h-wl... thence the clippers not convinced me, i know the great control, quality, etc etc... but i prefer expand my options... if finally i couldn't find other good option maybe i'll think in a hybrid wood, clipper cc or tube carbo Edited by chalo_sterling - 06/23/2013 at 6:23pm |
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Blade: Stiga Clipper CC
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bluebucket
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Yes I've played the hino carbon and I also know one player who uses it. He's a passive player @us~2200. It probably works for medium and short pip hitting, its not a good blade for normal inverted play, it will cause you to have malformed strokes and be too passive
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decoi
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so if you are playing div 2-3, german players then blades like clipper are more than enough. cos those guys spin and hit hard, you will want the control over faster blade.
if you want it to go faster.. then hit/spin harder
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Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao
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chalo_sterling
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i want a blade faster than my h-wl, without much vibrations... because my h-wl works great at mid or long distance play (for power loopers)... it have good flexibility in the hard hits and a "trampoline effect"... it really helps to do the necessary curves in mid-long distances... isn't too good for my style... i buy it in 2009 because is faster and i tried to come back to inverted in my bh, but i return to short pips quickly so i want a blade more suitable to play close to the table, with short pips in bh and killer style than my h-wl... i want a blade that can offer me a little more power in the rallies... that help me to play like a killer
interesting comment! what do you think that hino-carbon isn't good for inverted rubbers?? maybe the stiffness and too little dwell time?? or by the speed? it's rare this... if you have a blade too fast blade (i guess that maybe this is reason because you said that malformed strokes), faster than you can control, how can he have a passive play?? i would think that on the contrary, if i were him, i only could hit, hit and lose more and more points when my opponent attacks do you could do a review about hino-carbon? describing all aspects, characteristics, comparing it with other blades??
do you really think that a clipper cr wrb would be faster than my h-wl?? a friend have the clipper oversized and i felt it slower than my h-wl... this is the only experience with clippers that i have... other friend have a stiga hybrid wood and i think that is good blade, but i don't know about it durability...and if it would be what i want because i only tried it for 5 minutes Edited by chalo_sterling - 06/23/2013 at 6:23pm |
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Blade: Stiga Clipper CC
Forehand rubber: DHS TG Skyline 3 NEO Backhand rubber: Xiom Zava I |
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He plays like most players with very fast blades, he just returns the ball with soft low power strokes (which still come at you with a normal speed because of the fast blade) he just doesn't make much spin because he's hardly doing anything with the ball. Playing an inverted game you can play much faster with a slower blade because you can make more spin and the more spin you make the harder you can hit the ball in faith that the spin will bring it onto the table.
My review of the Hino-carbon would be. OFF+ reasonable dwell for an OFF+ blade because it's got a thick layer of hinoki on top, stiff. That's about it, it's the same as the Butterfly hinoki carbon blades, Like Sardius, Schlager, Primorac carbon, Gergely, it might work well with short pips but the pips side would have to out weigh it not being ideal on the inverted side. Your pips hitting would be rocket fast with the hino carbon and if you can control it then that's great, it just wont loop very well
Edited by bluebucket - 06/23/2013 at 7:23pm |
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chalo_sterling
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thanks bluebucket!! excellent contribution!! i found that tsp hino-carbon have similar composition to: photino, amultart, pc and sc
in construction seems like the differences is more the type of fibers than the thickness of the plies... but for example many people said that photino have soft touch and good dwell and schlager or primorac very little dwell and hard touch.. so the tsp hino-carbon is more like photino than pc or sc?? i guess in terms of hardness and speed (maybe also in control and stiffness) something like
i don't know if my comparation is 100% reliable, however i like to know what of the previous mencioned blades are most similar to hino-carbon on the other hand, i'm aware that if i want a better suited with short pips worsen be for loops... i will be willing to sacrifice a little the capacite to loop for gain more power in driving and hitting... in this moment with my h-wl i feel that i don't have the best equilirium between driving/block/hitting/counter and loop/topspin... so i want a blade stiffer than my h-wl, that improve the power in driving/hitting... but at least the same speed than my h-wl (i prefer a faster blade) what other blades i should consider?? maybe the clipper cc?? hybrid wood?? viscaria?? Edited by chalo_sterling - 06/24/2013 at 1:19am |
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Hi i have been playing with Primorac carbon and this blade can generate tons of spin
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Try it with rubber... it's even better! |
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what do you think about the clipper cc?? how much differs from other clippers?? Edited by chalo_sterling - 07/02/2013 at 1:00am |
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Blade: Stiga Clipper CC
Forehand rubber: DHS TG Skyline 3 NEO Backhand rubber: Xiom Zava I |
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