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kurokami
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Posted: 09/22/2013 at 12:28am |
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does anyone have a pic of the sponge? ttnpp recently added "neo h3 blue prov" to their inventory
as we found previously, the ones sold on prottcc were not neo blue but actually repackaged h3 topsheet + #20-22 blue sponge i am skeptical as someone said they were "too soft". sounds like the pre-neo blue again
Edited by kurokami - 09/22/2013 at 2:01am |
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chronos
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I got some pieces of this but haven't opened yet. It comes in the neo packaging with provincial sticker as well as a second sticker with blue text, presumably indicating the blue sponge. Looks as legit as any other prov h3 from ttnpp, same packaging. Topsheet has code on it. I can see that one rubber has a white backing over the sponge - I got another h3 neo prov blue sponge on here that also had that (and interestingly I found the sponge to be quite hard on that sheet, but it played well) For the other rubber no backing is visible but it might just be hidden under the packaging. Will report more when I install these but it might be a while - training for a tourney end of oct and have orange sponge on right now which is serving me well, won't change before then. Incidentally I also have a "national" h3 blue sponge from prott and there is no text on the sponge (it has the white cover) is that the pre-neo blue?
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chronos
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Oh just to offer more data - I bought a sheet of h3 neo prov blue sponge from a member (wish I remember the name) who seemed totally reputable and nice, a high level player overseas. Came in neo packaging, blue sponge with no text / serial on it, with a layer of glue and white plastic covering / sheet over that (like on haifu rubbers) topsheet with code. Sponge hardness I think was 40 or even 40.5, can't remember. Anyway it played great, dunno what sponge that really was in the end but it served me well.
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kurokami
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i have no idea. some of the other members who used to follow hurricane can tell the pre-neos. i just started trying out hurricane recently bc my friend gave me one from wang liqin.
when you use the neo blue (the ttnpp one in the sealed pkg with provincial sticker), can you show me a pic of the sponge? i just bought a regular bc i haven't had an opportunity to pick up another one. so far, results have not been good. boosting is much tougher with the commercial as well. i'll give provincial a try and see if it's worth the premium
Edited by kurokami - 09/22/2013 at 1:41am |
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emihet
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i bought two pieces
39degrees 40 degrees... they were nice and light, low throw, not very spinny...nowhere close to national orange sponge version... but both were a bit too soft for me...i have not bought 41 degrees to see if that is better
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Roger Stillabower
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I have bought 2 sheets of the Neo H3 blue sponge prov. in max and 41 degree. The sheet I am using now I boosted with 3 layers of Falco Long booster.It is the #22 sponge. First thing I noticed was it was lighter in weight than a comm. Also it is easier to play with than a comm.On slow shots it is slow but when you hit hard it is a very fast rubber.I am going to stay with it for awhile. BTW it is the one from TTnPP.
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kurokami
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thanks. so i think we have it answered. #22 is better than commercial but not the true neo blue
this is also what i heard and this guy used to be a dealer:
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saif
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As far as I remember cagaragesales is banned from mytt forum. |
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good to know...i might have to try the 41 degrees...do you feel like it has a low throw, is it very spinny? I noticed the low weight as well... |
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All the rubbers the Chinese team use which are blue are the #22 sponge, the same sponge that came out more than 10 years ago. Most of them use it in 41-42 degrees and heavily boosted. There is no "neo" sponge
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Pretty funny people think chinese prov players are better because of magic prov products, not because they're just superior players. By that reasoning, national player must be where they are because they get the national rubbers.
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beeray1
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You can only beat something to death once. After that, you are kicking the corpse. Please, please. No more blue sponge threads. There are about thirteen thousand more spread across the forum. You already dug one up from 5 years ago, why would you make another?
This is why it's dangerous to pretend to know what you're talking about when you don't, now all the question asking makes you look silly. cagaragesales isn't banned. He just stopped posting. This thread is a different place from 5 years ago. A LOT of people stop posting. FACT: NOBODY knows for sure what all the chinese players are really using for a sponge, NEO or not, which number, so why pretend to? Edit: I found yet a second blue sponge thread you dug up again. Really? and http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36449&PN=3#749694 Edited by beeray1 - 09/23/2013 at 1:43pm |
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Roger Stillabower
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You posted your opinion about the topic and you have a right to do so,but if the topic bothers you so much, don't click on the topic. Live and let live.
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kurokami
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"This is why it's dangerous to pretend to know what you're talking about when you don't". yep. you must've missed the thread where i questioned anson about his fishy serials: that i was given a H3 neo national by wang liqin straight from his bag, or that i'm friends with 6 chinese pro players from shandong, beijing, guandong teams, 3 of which were in the national team and have used Neo blue. from the posted pics, i see there's one other person on this forum that has a real neo blue. i also put a forum member in contact with zheng jiaqi to get a neo national. from these threads, we've established those aren't what I was LF. asking around saves me from a waste of $60x. it's no different from the plethora of blade and rubber review/comparison threads. "It's a green eyed monster that makes fun of the victims it devours." |
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GSOM_GSOM11
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Tried a #22 H3 and Neo H3 Comm on a Viscaria-like ALC. #22 has superior topsheet, more sticky, more elastic, but #22 sponge, even heavily boosted, is slow and dull in comparison to Neo (lightly boosted). Neo delivers a much stronger powerloop with vicious dip and kick, #22 has speed, but lower spin and power. With Neo you can unleash full-power loopkills, and with #22 you are always afraid on hitting too strong, it can go long because of lack of spin.
There must be a Neo blue sponge for Chinese masters, #22 would restrict their power drastically. |
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AgentHEX
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People who seem to study this topic professionally should know that DHS manufacturing is somewhat erratic, and even more so for their small batches. If you can't loopkill with a decent sheet of normal H3/neo, the harsh reality is you lack those skill (usually poor handspeed). Slightly upgraded H3 isn't worth anything near $60; that's Tenergy money.
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GSOM_GSOM11
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>>People who seem to study this topic professionally should know that DHS manufacturing is somewhat erratic, and even more so for their small batches.
- You mean provincial QC is even more erratic than generic, don`t you? >>If you can't loopkill with a decent sheet of normal H3/neo, the harsh reality is you lack those skill (usually poor handspeed).
- It does look like I said that #22 39d restricts my handspeed and and makes me be afraid of hitting too strong, doesn`t it? |
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AgentHEX
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It can be. To some degree they might care a little more since it's more exclusive product, but it's much smaller batches in which production quality generally decrease due to how modern production works. You're basically trusting their word that they'll throw out the worse ones, but they're old-school state industry so they don't need to care. That said the prov I've seen are decent. National is special production anyway so who knows what you're going to get.
If you're not generating enough spin to land the ball and handspeed is adequate, generally it's a issue with angle of attack on the ball. The spin/speed ratio is something which can be arbitrarily controlled with technique based on how much "hit" vs how much "brush". |
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GSOM_GSOM11
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>>but it's much smaller batches in which production quality generally decrease due to how modern production works
- Dispersion of quality is usually big when you produce larger batches, because you can control the outcome only statistically (1 in a hundred, for instance) and estimate the probabilities. In a small batch, you can control EACH item, and if a bad one is found, you can downgrade it to commercial and sale it, no need to thrash it. >>If you're not generating enough spin to land the ball and handspeed is adequate, generally it's a issue with angle of attack on the ball. The spin/speed ratio is something which can be arbitrarily controlled with technique based on how much "hit" vs how much "brush". - In theory, that is right, but in real match against a tough opponent you MUST capitalize any opportunity for a kill. If you are always brushing the balls which you can attack with power, your opponent will punish you. By the way, my US rating would be above 2000, and my FH loopkill, 3rd ball kill is my trump card. It`s not my technique issue with #22. Maybe #22 40d is too soft for me, and 42-43 would fix the problem, but I feel that for me personally Neo works much better, except for it`s less tacky and more bouncy in short returns. I also think that Chinese top players must have more powerful rubbers, than H3#22, to utilize their extremely powerful FH swing. I`ll make a 'hybrid' of #22 topsheet and Neo sponge and see if it combines the needed properties.
Edited by GSOM_GSOM11 - 10/01/2013 at 11:18am |
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