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Originally posted by jt99sf jt99sf wrote:



Can you name the brands you have to seal, it'd be helpful for others.

Sure, any table tennis brand that makes blades. Smile
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Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:


I have purchased numerous blades (89) from different manufacturers over the years and the one glaring thing that sticks out is the fact they do not seal their blades. For the high cost you would expect more for your money. Very few blades I have purchased have been sealed. The time and money for sand paper and sealer plus labor for a blade that exceeds $100.00 USD should not be needed. Why is it Donic can sand, seal, remove sharp edges and offer that blade for less than $70 USD than other manufacturers who do not with blades over $100 USD? Manufacturers simply need to take a page from Donic and learn what a finished blade should be. The type of glue should not matter if a blade is sealed properly.


Can you name the brands you have to seal, it'd be helpful for others.
 
 1. Stiga, these blades are the worst I have seen. Terrible finishing and attention to detail.
 2. Butterfly, blades with limba outer plys or the lower cost blades need sealing. Koto ply blades are better but still need sealing.
 3. Juic, early production blades where of higher quality than they produce today. Many of there blades are made in China and they all need sealing regardless of wood type.
 4. Nittaku, softer wood blades like Runlox-5, Rising, Kasumi Basic need sealing.
 
 Best advice is to seal any blade regardless of manufacture unless there is a statement that a sealant has been applied.
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I agree with the recent Stiga blades, very bad attention to detail. My favorites right now is the Donic and Butterfly blades.
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I ordered from paddle palace as well.  I think the problem may be the type of glue they use because I ordered for them to seal my blade, however, I still had a four inch long splinter come off in the middle of the blade when changing rubbers.  The glue felt so strong, I couldn't believe how hard it was to pull the rubber off.  So, I think the problem may not be whether or not to seal the blade, but to use the right type of glue.  Anybody else order glued paddles from paddle palace? 
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Blades you want to seal if you don't like splinters. "Everything that makes spin". Hardwood blades don't need it. If you don't want to seal your blades then you need to become more skilled at removing rubbers, this involves taking the rubber off diagonally and more than likely using some heat (a hair drier on a mild setting) to soften the water based glue, you point the hair dryer between the blade and sponge as you remove it, this works a treat, even a modern stiga allround resists splintering if you do this. Another option is using rubber cement on the blade and water based glue on the sponge. I don't seal my blades, be careful use a good water based glue and you have no problems

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Originally posted by GwaiLo GwaiLo wrote:

I ordered from paddle palace as well.  I think the problem may be the type of glue they use because I ordered for them to seal my blade, however, I still had a four inch long splinter come off in the middle of the blade when changing rubbers.  The glue felt so strong, I couldn't believe how hard it was to pull the rubber off.  So, I think the problem may not be whether or not to seal the blade, but to use the right type of glue.  Anybody else order glued paddles from paddle palace? 
 
 
 Paddlepalace is using a stronger bonding glue than they had in the past. That is part of the problem. They are now selling this glue under "Paddlepalace" brand glue. Blades with softer outer plys will not do well with it without splintering. When ordering a setup from Paddlepalace never have them assemble it unless they seal the blade first. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

Originally posted by GwaiLo GwaiLo wrote:

I ordered from paddle palace as well.  I think the problem may be the type of glue they use because I ordered for them to seal my blade, however, I still had a four inch long splinter come off in the middle of the blade when changing rubbers.  The glue felt so strong, I couldn't believe how hard it was to pull the rubber off.  So, I think the problem may not be whether or not to seal the blade, but to use the right type of glue.  Anybody else order glued paddles from paddle palace? 

 
 
 Paddlepalace is using a stronger bonding glue than they had in the past. That is part of the problem. They are now selling this glue under "Paddlepalace" brand glue. Blades with softer outer plys will not do well with it without splintering. When ordering a setup from Paddlepalace never have them assemble it unless they seal the blade first. Thumbs Up


From GL's pst, he did order sealing for the blade and it still splintered. If you use RC, you'll never have these issues. If you use WBG, you're just looking for problems.
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Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

A good polyurethane coat will go a long way towards protecting the more fragile blades.... a lot better than the water based ones.
 
+1. Agree polyutherane (oil based) varnish is way better than water based ones.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by jt99sf jt99sf wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by jt99sf jt99sf wrote:

Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

Not all BTY blades are sealed. Fact.

prob the one's made in China, that's not what I'm talking about.

You don't use WBG, which is the primary reason people seal, so why not mention that so people get some context?

since I only use RC,  what are you referring to ?

My point is that Butterfly blades can splinter if not sealed - the reason why you don't have splintering issues is mostly because you use RC, which is much harder to splinter a blade or tear a rubber with than WBG.  You mention the RC thing almost in passing.
 
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I had someone send me a blade to refinish.  It was one of my quattro O blades, but it had reactor corbor x2.  I noticed it had PP edge tape on it.
 
The glue was very tough and very thick.  I coudln't tell what kind it was, but it reminded me of carpet glue the way it looked like it was put down with a serrated trowell.  It was very hard to pull up.  Reminded me of when I semi ruined my xienting shark by mixing booster and water glue (tough blade to learn that lesson on.
 
I wondered if he'd sent his blade to PP...do they sell reactor?  Good thing I sealed the quattro when he bought it from me originally.
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Originally posted by mertus mertus wrote:

Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

A good polyurethane coat will go a long way towards protecting the more fragile blades.... a lot better than the water based ones.
 
+1. Agree polyutherane (oil based) varnish is way better than water based ones.


+1. Oil based polyurethane is the best for me.
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I have found that using oil based polyuthane does a wonderful job of protecting the blade but it does alter the playing characteristics. I only use water based sealers.
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I always seal using Minwax Clear Fast-Dry Polyurethane finish. Just half a teaspoon per side (or even less), then spread it evenly and set on a flat surface for a few hours.
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Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

I have found that using oil based polyuthane does a wonderful job of protecting the blade but it does alter the playing characteristics. I only use water based sealers.
 
frogger, does water based varnish lasts long as the oil-based ones?...
In my case, 2 very thin layer of oil based varnish works great and does not alter the palying characteristics of my blade. I use cloth to spread the varnish as thin as I can and leave it to dry before adding the next layer.
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I think there are different formulations for oil based sealers. Some have a hardening agents that makes them set up to hard for blade sealing. The ones I have tried did alter the feel and playing characteristics of my blades. I have had zero issues with water based sealers.
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