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    Posted: 11/12/2013 at 2:29pm
I know some of you guys like to play hardbat once in awhile. so what do you use and why? I love taking a break from fast setups and expensive blades and rubbers. 
 
LKT Toxic 3> BTY Orthodox OX> Great Hardbat combo. Thumbs Up 
 
Hock 3-Ply Small Head> Yasaka A1-2
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I had my Hock 3-ply shaved to the size of the TBS with Dr Evil.  Less flex and great control !!

Playing HB tunes up my strokes, love the sound !!
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old Stiga premade + Gambler Peacekeeper

My inverted play improves after playing hardbat or if I play Johnny Huang style with a Galaxy W6 + SP both sides
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I got a toxic 5 + dr evil on both sides to keep in my tt bag at all times. 

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I just use my old shakehand blades.  I put Dr Evil on Juic Maple Shot or Joola Rossi Fire. 

After playing hardbat, the inverted rubbers feel so much softer.  Since the hardbat style is more defensive for me, I feel I see the ball much better or hand eye coordination much better when I switch back to my normal setup.

I use shakehand for hardbat and CPen for inverted.  Since the strokes are different, there is no adjustment switching from hardbat to CPen inverted looping. 
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

I got a toxic 5 + dr evil on both sides to keep in my tt bag at all times. 


we need to play HB at the Nationals... Big smile
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I have 3 right now.
1 Toxic 5 with Peacekeeper.  This is the one I play with the most and the one in the high speed videos.  It is very flexible.   
2 LKT Instinct with Dr Evil.  The LKT Instinct is noticeably stiffer but generates about the same amount of spin.
3. Toni Hold White Spot with Yasaka A-1-2.  The THWS is relatively stiff compared to the Toxic 5 but slow like the Toxic 5.  The A-1-2 seems to have just a little more grip than the Peacekeeper and Dr Evil.

Peacekeeper seems to generate a little spin reversal that A-1-2 can't especially if I block the ball closer to the handle where there isn't as much flex.

Notice that most of us are using slow blades.


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valor american chopper with yasaka a1-2
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My standard for a long time was the LKT Instinct with Dr. Evil but I wanted something a bit larger since I was chopping more.

So I went to using a Butterfly Cutlass for its larger size and slowness and Gambler Peacekeeper because black Dr. Evil got messed up at about the same time.  But I could not find another Cutlass blade that matched the speed of my first Cutlass that I like (all were too fast) and they fixed the black Dr. Evil issue.

So, I'm currently using a Nittaku Resist with Dr. Evil on both sides. Fairly stiff, but still slow and "soft" due to the use of willow.
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I can actually loop away from table with my LKT Toxic 3/ BTY Orthodox OX. More difficult with the Hock/Yasaka A1-2. LKT Toxic seems flexier  even though the speed between the two blades is about the same. I tried Dr. Evil and did not like it at all...a bit strange to my taste. I will order a Nittaku Kim Kyung Ah blade with BTY Orthodox. It is getting great reviews so we will see if it makes a good hardbat.
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Ralph Stadelman didn't like Dr Evil either after I beat him with it at the Nationals.
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Originally posted by jt99sf jt99sf wrote:

Ralph Stadelman didn't like Dr Evil either after I beat him with it at the Nationals.
 
  Good one. LOL
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Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

Originally posted by jt99sf jt99sf wrote:

Ralph Stadelman didn't like Dr Evil either after I beat him with it at the Nationals.
 
  Good one. LOL

My best match at the Nationals was the win against Tim Kelly when he was 2200.
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I have a question about hardbat gluing:

could that be declared illegal in a hb tourney? I would not describe the smudges as bubbles; at some point they kind of were and I hoped they'd go away; the bubbles are gone but there is still a noticeable difference on all the spots.




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@fatt,  it s/b ok.  I can help you with that if you bring it to Vegas. Big smile
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I think it is unlikely that anyone would give you grief.  BTW, I always trim that bottom 3/16" or so off of the bottom of my Dr. Evil before gluing to reduce the area taken up by the pip-less label.

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Yasaka A1-2 is the easiest to glue without the bubble effect. BTY Orthodox OX and Dr. Evil takes some careful steps. Also adding a heavy book after gluing for 24 hours helps a lot.
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CHEERS!
Hardbat: Valor Champion/FH/BH-Valor Premier-OX

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Valor has some very nice products. They are not widely known that I know of. "American Chopper" looks like a great hardbat. Also there is a super nice offering from OSP in the DEF+ class. Smile
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Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

 
 
LKT Toxic 3> BTY Orthodox OX> Great Hardbat combo. Thumbs Up 
 


+1 SmileSmileSmileSmileSmile

Whats a good hardhat blade for all around play? i think my toxic 3 is too soft to be hitting with...
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Hock 3 ply with Dr  Evil Smile  on both sides, I hit and chop on both sides.
 
I used to play with a $2 Wal-Mart hard bat type up to 1700 vs inverted.
 
 
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Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

 
 
LKT Toxic 3> BTY Orthodox OX> Great Hardbat combo. Thumbs Up 
 


+1 SmileSmileSmileSmileSmile

Whats a good hardhat blade for all around play? i think my toxic 3 is too soft to be hitting with...
 
 You might want to try the LKT Toxic 5. Faster and a bit stiffer. Price is very nice. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

 
 
LKT Toxic 3> BTY Orthodox OX> Great Hardbat combo. Thumbs Up 
 


+1 SmileSmileSmileSmileSmile

Whats a good hardhat blade for all around play? i think my toxic 3 is too soft to be hitting with...
 
 You might want to try the LKT Toxic 5. Faster and a bit stiffer. Price is very nice. Thumbs Up

Thanx!!!
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Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:

 
 
LKT Toxic 3> BTY Orthodox OX> Great Hardbat combo. Thumbs Up 
 


+1 SmileSmileSmileSmileSmile

Whats a good hardhat blade for all around play? i think my toxic 3 is too soft to be hitting with...
 
 You might want to try the LKT Toxic 5. Faster and a bit stiffer. Price is very nice. Thumbs Up

Thanx!!!
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Valor Champion w Valor rubber, eh?  I happen to own the first champion made... but then, you knew that.  ;-)


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Hock 3 ply #74 large face with Dr. Evil.
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At the club where I play now they call it hardbat to play with bare blades.  No 0X SP, no nothing, only wood.  

It's actually quite good fun. 
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Bare wood blade.  How "historical".  I actually own a GENUINE "Ping Pong" paddle... "Ping Pong" being a Registered Trademark of Parker Bros. for their table tennis gaming equipment.

It is from about 1928 and is solid rock maple plywood.

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