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I've been wanting to get my RPB up to the same amount of power as my FH for the opening loop (it's plenty powerful in rallies already) against underspin to discourage my opponents from picking on my relatively slow BH opening loop.  While it's gotten a little faster now, I've reached a point where I start trading consistency for power Pinch and I want to be able to improve my stroke and move past that barrier. 

Ideally I'd like to reach a point where I can kill a half-long ball with my RPB as confidently as I can with my FH without having to step around.

Previously I've relied on Tenergy 64 to generate speed more easily on my BH, but I've moved to Sriver EL last month and it's significantly slower.  The power I'm putting in my shots in this video are about as strong as I can go before I start missing 50% of the balls.  Any tips/comments for generating more speed in this scenario is appreciated.


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Half-long?

These balls are long balls with little underspin.
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I actually think your technique is very good. You are slightly unsynchronised from legs to ball contact, so that by the time you have bent and straightened your legs the ball has not reached you, and so you lose a lot of power from the transfer from legs to waist to arms. You're relying on your forearm and wrist a great deal, which may begin to ache after a while (does it?)

And I do think Sriver EL is just a bit too slow (unless you speed glue or boost.) What about Bryce (as per Ma Lin)? Or Calibra LT Spin?  
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looks ok for basic warm up drill, but u not gona lift many serves like that. Instead of high, long and no spin, the serves will be spiny, short and low.
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When you go back with your racket hold it vertically rather than horizontally, so that the tip of the paddle points to the floor between your legs or even to the point behind your right foot. You have a nice wrist slap and need only to combine it with more sidespin rotation. The result will be a deadly shot.
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Originally posted by Thomasson Thomasson wrote:

Half-long?

These balls are long balls with little underspin.

Well, I consider half long anything that doesn't double bounce but isn't bouncing at the white line and making me jam up.  The spin setting on my robopong is at about 5-6 out of 10 and feeding to me directly with only one bounce, which is considerably heavy compared to most people I play unless they are chopping with LP.

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I actually think your technique is very good. You are slightly unsynchronised from legs to ball contact, so that by the time you have bent and straightened your legs the ball has not reached you, and so you lose a lot of power from the transfer from legs to waist to arms. You're relying on your forearm and wrist a great deal, which may begin to ache after a while (does it?)

And I do think Sriver EL is just a bit too slow (unless you speed glue or boost.) What about Bryce (as per Ma Lin)? Or Calibra LT Spin?  

The unsynchronization might be why I thought I looked kind of awkward haha.  Thanks for that pointer.  And my current coach insisted that I start involving my wrist on my rpb and it's only helped me so far, no aches/problems... yet.

And Sriver EL does feel a tad slow, but Bryce is just too expensive to the point where I'd rather just get Tenergy again.  I tried Ma Lin's old RPB rubber which is supposedly bryce speed fx and didn't really like it.  Felt like I was hardly getting any spin out of it Confused edit: forgot to mention, I switched to Sriver EL for the price and because the stigas are pricey as well, I haven't tried any of them yet.

Originally posted by assiduous assiduous wrote:

looks ok for basic warm up drill, but u not gona lift many serves like that. Instead of high, long and no spin, the serves will be spiny, short and low.

I don't doubt that for serves, but I was trying make myself a scenario where I get a push that floats long that I would normally step around and kill with my FH... but use my RPB instead.


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Originally posted by Imago Imago wrote:

When you go back with your racket hold it vertically rather than horizontally, so that the tip of the paddle points to the floor between your legs or even to the point behind your right foot. You have a nice wrist slap and need only to combine it with more sidespin rotation. The result will be a deadly shot.

Gotcha, I'll give that a shot!  Thanks.
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Was just wondering, normall a short ball bounces at least 3x, half long bounces 2 times with the second bounce on the white line, or bounces 1 time just clearing the white line on the second bounce. Long balls bounce 1x.

As a technique tip, the already mentioned weight distribution is clearly the most noticeable one.
What you do is a beginners mistake, im not calling you a beginner!
You think you are sitting down and bending your knees, instead you are moving your hips (ass) backwards.
So when contacting the ball, instead of moving in an upward motion (knees bend to stretched),
you are moving in a forward motion with only the hips. (Hips back to forward position).

Using the upward motion with the knees bending and stretching, you will get power from the leggs which u are barely using now.

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Originally posted by Thomasson Thomasson wrote:

Was just wondering, normall a short ball bounces at least 3x, half long bounces 2 times with the second bounce on the white line, or bounces 1 time just clearing the white line on the second bounce. Long balls bounce 1x.

As a technique tip, the already mentioned weight distribution is clearly the most noticeable one.
What you do is a beginners mistake, im not calling you a beginner!
You think you are sitting down and bending your knees, instead you are moving your hips (ass) backwards.
So when contacting the ball, instead of moving in an upward motion (knees bend to stretched),
you are moving in a forward motion with only the hips. (Hips back to forward position).

Using the upward motion with the knees bending and stretching, you will get power from the leggs which u are barely using now.


Ah, then yes by those definitions it is very much long.  My goal with the machine settings was to make a very much attackable (long) but spinny ball, and force myself to use rpb to kill it rather than stepping around.

And thanks for the tip, I did think I had bent my knees during the drill, but you're right I was just sticking my ass out haha.
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Originally posted by schen schen wrote:

Previously I've relied on Tenergy 64 to generate speed more easily on my BH, but I've moved to Sriver EL last month and it's significantly slower.  The power I'm putting in my shots in this video are about as strong as I can go before I start missing 50% of the balls.  Any tips/comments for generating more speed in this scenario is appreciated.

Okay I'll ask the obvious question here then..... Why did you do that?

Sounds like the T64 was giving you the power you were looking for.
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I agree with some of the things people have already mentioned:
You are bending down, but you're not using your hips.
Your racket should start more vertical - or sometimes even past vertical if you're going to really snap your wrist.


It's hard for me to tell from the video, but it looks like you're hitting the ball and not really spinning it much.  From the slow motion portion, the ball seems to be on a downward plane immediately after contact (not every time, but often).  

A heavy serve or push is typically not that high, you need to lower it to really get a sense of what your shot would be in a game.
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Form looks ok. But the balls are too high and not much spin, so it is hard to tell. Try to increase the backspin and do another video. Then we can see how well it is. Good luck!
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For someone who relies heavily on Rpb, when I hit I'd try to have the backhand side if the blade be parallel to the ground for better wind up and more spin. Give it a try if you haven't, it might help.
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It's the price of Tenergy that steered me to try something different, and also that Wang Hao makes Sriver work for him somehow in the era where everyone seems to be using Tenergy.  I wanted to see what the appeal was :P.  I also think I'm more consistent with Sriver EL, but I'll have to compare with T64 again to be sure.  And I'm intentionally driving the ball a little to get a bit more speed, similar to my FH stroke when going for a kill.  

The height of the ball feed is a limitation of the size of my parents' garage and the machine's placement, but the underspin on the ball is pretty significant.  I'll try the vertical racket angle and get a human multi-ball feeder when I get back to New York next week.
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Horizontal too, but with blade tip pointing to your right hip socket.
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Hi Schen, I like your attitude , firstly you come here asking for help and secondly you are taking in information.
 Do you do any traditional penhold backhand?
 My main comment would be You have the robot at a slow setting so you have to wait and then go thru the motions, so just for a change crank it up a bit to help make yourself more fluent say 3 stting rather than 1, and then have it set on 3 rph shots and then 1 ball towards your chest so you do a traditional shot then 3 rph's again etc , after pick 3 locations for your rph shots to go , 
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Originally posted by smackman smackman wrote:

Hi Schen, I like your attitude , firstly you come here asking for help and secondly you are taking in information.
 Do you do any traditional penhold backhand?
 My main comment would be You have the robot at a slow setting so you have to wait and then go thru the motions, so just for a change crank it up a bit to help make yourself more fluent say 3 stting rather than 1, and then have it set on 3 rph shots and then 1 ball towards your chest so you do a traditional shot then 3 rph's again etc , after pick 3 locations for your rph shots to go , 
 use the robot as a person and have fun learning

I use tbh for punching and block/chop blocking, but I don't really have a smash/anything powerful or spinny.  

Unfortunately my robot is one of the more basic ones that doesn't have programmable drills, I can just make it oscillate and shoot independently but not in sync.  :/
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Originally posted by hookumsnivy hookumsnivy wrote:

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You are bending down, but you're not using your hips.

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To my perception you are leaning forward at the waist without a corresponding squat or bending of the legs at the knees. The easiest way to get a feel for this that I have tried is to practice with a chair.. Put a pillow on a chair to adjust the height such that the angle formed at the knee is about 100 to 120 degrees. Now sit in the chair with legs a little more than shoulder width apart, the knees pointing out at about 45 degrees and your butt just barely on the edge of the chair. Don't have the robot feed fast at first because if you do it right your legs will be burned out in about 10-20 balls. The movement when you lean forward to get up off of the chair is the motion you want when you hit your BH. 

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When the ball bounces on your side of the table is when you need to barely touch your butt on the edge of the chair, then as the ball rises you push with your legs/torso and  rise to meet it. This is so called bounce timing and, ideally, should be done on every shot regardless of type. You are already doing this in general but you weren't squatting correctly at the bounce. 

Basically the stroke is controlled by that squatting motion. Pros do it all the time but it's smaller in scale. The chair thing is just to get the feel and timing down once you are consistent then make the movement smaller and quicker.

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Personally I have found 05fx works really well for me especially with the 656 with what little I have hit with it so far. I have tried 05, 64, barracuda, Rakza 7 soft and Mars II. 

In general though I think you stroke is pretty good. I think the amount of thumb pressure you are applying to keep the blade face open is really good. 

I know you have seen these before but I always like to throw in some reference material. 






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Personally I have found 05fx works really well for me especially with the 656 with what little I have hit with it so far. I have tried 05, 64, barracuda, Rakza 7 soft and Mars II. 

I really like 05FX in 1.9 thickness on the backhand.  In the past I've used Baracuda (2.0, and max), Vega Pro, Europe and Elite (2.0 and max), Energy Xtra.  For me 05fx is the clear winner.  
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Originally posted by V-Griper V-Griper wrote:

Originally posted by hookumsnivy hookumsnivy wrote:

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You are bending down, but you're not using your hips.

+1
Stroke technique-
To my perception you are leaning forward at the waist without a corresponding squat or bending of the legs at the knees. The easiest way to get a feel for this that I have tried is to practice with a chair.. Put a pillow on a chair to adjust the height such that the angle formed at the knee is about 100 to 120 degrees. Now sit in the chair with legs a little more than shoulder width apart, the knees pointing out at about 45 degrees and your butt just barely on the edge of the chair. Don't have the robot feed fast at first because if you do it right your legs will be burned out in about 10-20 balls. The movement when you lean forward to get up off of the chair is the motion you want when you hit your BH. 

Timing-
When the ball bounces on your side of the table is when you need to barely touch your butt on the edge of the chair, then as the ball rises you push with your legs/torso and  rise to meet it. This is so called bounce timing and, ideally, should be done on every shot regardless of type. You are already doing this in general but you weren't squatting correctly at the bounce. 

Basically the stroke is controlled by that squatting motion. Pros do it all the time but it's smaller in scale. The chair thing is just to get the feel and timing down once you are consistent then make the movement smaller and quicker.

Equipment- 
Personally I have found 05fx works really well for me especially with the 656 with what little I have hit with it so far. I have tried 05, 64, barracuda, Rakza 7 soft and Mars II. 

In general though I think you stroke is pretty good. I think the amount of thumb pressure you are applying to keep the blade face open is really good. 


Thanks, so it seems I am not bending at the knees enough while I am still leaning forward.  And also I need to make a more shorter but quicker lifting motion with my legs at a more appropriate time.  I'll keep those in mind when I make a new video, and thanks for the references - re-watching them always helps!  Smile


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I forgot to mention one thing and that is the use of the left arm to help maintain balance on the stroke. Many people overlook this. Basically you want to extend your left arm slightly forward as you "sit back" in order keep your CG stabilized. This is one reason WH looks so smooth and stable when he is executing his stroke. By contrast your left arm goes down as you bend at the waist which subtly nudges you off balance toward the rear when you are doing your follow through.
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from the looks of it, it looks more like you are relying too much on arm movement.  Your legs are too stuck to the ground.   I'm also working my rpb, so don't they take my advice seriously lol.   I was just looking at Wang Hao's video and I was comparing your ready position with his.  Wang Hao is using more rotation and his form looks more round. 

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1)Small hop to get your hand closer to your body and get ready to hit.
2) End your stroke at around 1oclock and repeat that everytime. That way your stroke won't be fluttering.
3)Have a sensation of weight transfer from left to right feet, but not making a circle, more like a mini lunge feeling.
4)Knees do not more forward during impact of the ball. That move robs your ball speed.
5)After hit, mini hop to get back to neutral position.
6)If possible, loop it even earlier.


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Originally posted by V-Griper V-Griper wrote:

I forgot to mention one thing and that is the use of the left arm to help maintain balance on the stroke. Many people overlook this. Basically you want to extend your left arm slightly forward as you "sit back" in order keep your CG stabilized. This is one reason WH looks so smooth and stable when he is executing his stroke. By contrast your left arm goes down as you bend at the waist which subtly nudges you off balance toward the rear when you are doing your follow through.

Wow, I watched the 3rd video quite a few times and never noticed how Hao is extending his left arm out. Thanks for the tip.
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I don't know if you saw it before, but here is a full tutorial with English subtitle made by wang hao on YouTube.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mrrIDgT6TnY

The first thing he mentioned for non-pro players is that you don't move your wrist when doing RPB strokes and don't move our elbow much, I moved my wrist a lot before seeing the video. after tried what he told us here, I did have better BH power and the strokes weren't too unpredictable in directions too. also like Razorrt said, incorporating the whole body for weight transfer and all the steps he listed. I personally feel that RPB strokes should be like shake hand BH too, keep wrist movement to minimal. But in this video he pretty much gave us everything needed to know for a great RPB, so we just have to keep practicing, a lot.
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Well I feel like you have your blade too far out....

It should generally be hand first then the blade trails at which point you use your wrist more
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