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tommyzai 
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 Topic: The Great Blade Handle Debate!Posted: 04/02/2014 at 12:40am |
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FL = OFF
ST = DEF is the above fact or fiction?
Edited by tommyzai - 04/02/2014 at 12:49am |
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boaspirit
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 12:46am |
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yes, most defensive blade are straight but can also be off flare though are definitely for offense they were created to be offensive straight can go either way
Edited by boaspirit - 04/02/2014 at 1:04am |
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smackman
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 1:06am |
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is this for jeans ?
just jokes straight better in theory because it should be easier to turn (twiddle) but it's more important to learn how to twiddle and to use it in games and you can do that with most handles
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Imago
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 1:18am |
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ST is also better for cpen.
You can sell it easier away... P.S. Timo Boll and many German Off players use ST. |
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the_theologian
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 1:19am |
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ST: Waldner, Maze, Boll, Ovtcharov, Persson... on and on it goes
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Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
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boaspirit
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 1:54am |
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more chinese player use flared because they have more forehand dominance game. imo flared is better for forehand
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doraemon
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 4:58am |
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Preference also changes over time.
I used to love FL handle, until one day I discovered ST. Playing ST for quite some time, and then I stop playing for almost two years. Now, when I occasionally play, I start with ST but somehow when I switch to FL, it feels much better. |
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AndySmith
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 5:46am |
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ST handles are definitely better than FL for twiddling with.
FL gives me a sense of security when swinging hard on the FH side. I feel (subconsciously, stupidly) that ST handles will fly right out of my hand. Nonsense, I know, but... My preference is conical, but they are rare. |
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NextLevel
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 6:20am |
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Fiction. It's not true that grip choice is determined by style - it's really a matter of personal preference and whether you prefer a uniform feel across the handle or you prefer a wider base in your palm. Some styles might be enabled by straignt grips but even this is not 100% true or clear when matched up against personal preferences. |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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t64t64t64
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 7:46am |
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I broke my Blade 2 days ago,it was with a nice ST Handle but its slips out of my hand.....
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http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=61764&PID=734709
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t64t64t64
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 7:46am |
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Now i am looking for someone good in repairs...
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http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=61764&PID=734709
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Imago
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 8:04am |
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geswin
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 8:53am |
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Why Conical and AN does not been mentioned yet?
Conic is st mix with FL and it feels really nice
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jrscatman
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 1:19pm |
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Fiction - straight can be used for Offensive or defensive play.
FL - mostly offensive players I would think as not too many defenders use flared. Anatomic - not a big a fan Conic - love it - feels very much like straight but not too popular Handle of choice: ST
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in2spin
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 1:28pm |
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i've always used or sought straight whenever possible
there were several blades which were only available as flares, so i've had those too..... yasaka 6X (late 70s?) butterfly gergely carbon (80s) butterfly power drive (although, i acquired a 'power smash' which had a straight handle) had a butterfly keyshot that had a big thick flare handle, was available on ST, but didn't get it on that one :)
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100niTenis
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 1:33pm |
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Blade, Rubbers, Shoes, Socks ...
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Pondus
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 2:33pm |
The Butterfly Power Drive was made with ST handle though (from 2nd Generation and on).  |
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 2:36pm |
OMG you have a Yasaka 6X! Great blade and yes from late 70's and 80's. 
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in2spin
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 2:55pm |
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my power drive(s) - were all the heavy shellacked handles with the adhesive sticker that came off. since i like straight handles, i eventually shaved off the flare, so the one and only power drive i still have - has been modified - it's more like a modified conical/straight grip, now
i had a newer generation power drive also - the same one shown in the pic...no idea where it went i do not have the 6X any more that is long gone..... unfortunately, but that did have a large sabre like flared handle, i remember.....had both the yasaka leopard and cougar (3 ply and one ply) with straight handles too (long gone) another one ply racket back then i had also was a butterfly tamaropa, i think that was a 1 ply cypress or hinoki blade (with a straight handle) i had so many blades, but don't know where they are, i either gave them to students, sold them, or traded them i suppose :)
Edited by in2spin - 04/02/2014 at 2:59pm |
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tommyzai
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 3:01pm |
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My favorite handle design is conical, but they have been mostly phased out. I like the fact that they are straight, but angle out. I don't like ST that are like a baseball bat (Clipper), and I don't like FL in general. I feel trapped by the hook at the end. The squarish handles seem like the best compromise, i.e., most Butterfly blades. The Nexy Tamars have nice handles for me . . . slightly more rectangular.
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 3:26pm |
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In the 80's the BTY Power Drive reined supreme in the USA for offensive. First series where heavy and only came with FL Grip. Next series had a smaller head size and 3 handle types. The New BTY Power Drive II feels nothing like the original. I owned a Yasaka Technique blade and wonder what ever happened to it. Back in the day BTY offered more handle choices on the Power Drive and Primorac, Korbel and others. The best Conic was BTY Tarles.
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 3:37pm |
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here goes most of my meager collection, you can see the customized power drive, 5th from the right :) 
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 3:41pm |
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Nice collection! Some old gems in there.
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in2spin
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 3:43pm |
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frogger - i had a bty tamca 5000 too - it had a handle shape that was conical and very similar to the tarles
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 4:00pm |
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Handle is all about personal preferences.
Im a def who twiddles and play with a flared handle. |
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Posted: 04/03/2014 at 1:13am |
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As a general rule, I dislike flared handles: the bit I want to feel most is where the first and second fingers work together with the thumb. Consequently my strong preference has been for straight handles. Until now...
Tiger Lily is a wonderful compromise between straight and anatomic, crafted masterfully by Ross Leidy. The grip gives a very secure sense of contact exactly where I want it. My hand can now relax, with the "pinch" holding everything together. Twiddle? It's possible, and for a skilled practitioner I imagine the shape would not pose any problems. The bonus would be that an asymmetric design makes it very obvious which side is up and which is down. 
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