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DistantStar 
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 Topic: Best setup for the Banana FlickPosted: 04/02/2014 at 12:56pm |
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So, On my Accoustic, I recently replaced my worn out BH rubber from Bluefire M3 to Xiom Sigma Euro (because that's what's on sale on tt11, dont judge
 ). While my BH mid table rally improved, the banana flick has become impossible.I was shocked to discover that unlike for normal looping, not every "another euro tensor" would work for the banana flick!
So, BF M3 is now too expensive for my taste, what should I change my bh rubber to? Other Criteria: hopefully under $35, as Light as possible. |
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Pushdeep
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 1:04pm |
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Serve short underspin so you set up theopponent to push the ball back preferrably to hos backhand. Unless he can flick the ball back, he should push it short or medium and this is perfect setup for you to banana flick it back.
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glassmaple
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 1:06pm |
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I used Sigma II Euro and I can flick pretty well. It might be a bit too hard and bouncy in comparison? Timing would be harder if you're coming from a softer rubber.
I suggest taking around an hour to just practice banana flick and you'll get it back. |
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DistantStar
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Posted: 04/02/2014 at 2:59pm |
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Yeah Pushdeep, that's how I setup my flicks. And more oftenly, I flick for service receive. However, I simply cant get the actual flick to go.
GlassMaple, what blade were you using? I did practice more than an hour, 30 minute of which is with a robot that gives straight up top spin, Nope! cant get it to go. This is unacceptable as with M3, and the Rakza 7 soft before, I could flick that no problem, even with a bit backspin! |
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glassmaple
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I was using Acoustic as well. I feel like using banana flick (assuming you're talking about the side spin off-axis on table loop thing that ZJK does a lot) on pure topspin is kind of hard. I usually do it for backspin and sidespin stuff. Pure topspin I would just wrist loop over the top of the ball while hitting enough to engage the sponge.
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The Sigma Euro is quite a bit firmer than Rakza 7 Soft and Bluefire M3 so it will take a bit to adjust. If you can't make the adjustment maybe you need to go back to something with softer sponge but still reasonable speed. Perhaps try something like Donic's Coppa X2 Platin Soft or a Nimbus series rubber like Sound or Soft from Tibhar. We have Coppa series at 30% off at the moment and they have a lot more spring in them than Sigma Euro and softer sponge which it sounds like you prefer.
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pdotec
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xiom vega japan works much better than sigma 2 euro for me. A rubber too bouncy, makes it difficult to
keep the ball on the table on short serivce receive flicks.
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boaspirit
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actually harder and bouncier rubber is easier to banana flick with because of the high throw but its really hard to do it when receiving topspin from a robot because its gonna come really fast and long
which usually neutralize the banana flicks even pro cant banana flicks often against fast topspin serve they usually loop it . the banana flicks are useful against underpin and pendulum serve though, especially short serve or short push if you wana try vega pro which is what im using now the banana flicks is easy with vega pro imo and its cheap Edited by boaspirit - 04/05/2014 at 2:53am |
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Lestat
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Banana flick is only for short backspin and back/sidespin serves. You will do it on semi long serves too if you are already committed to the shot. For everything else, it's topspin over the table with flick of the wrist.
These 2 strokes may look similar, but they are really different. With banana flick, you coil the whole body and lean over toward the ball in order to generate more power. Also the bat twists counter clockwise as far back you can possibly take it. This is required to overcome heavy underpin and give the stroke some pace of its own. Topspin over the table is not that extreme, you only have to put the shoulder in a bit and flick the wrist. This stroke should have a lot more in common with your normal bh topspin, than the banana flick.
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VictorK
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DistantStar, what's your level of play? IMO, you should be able to execute banana flick with any modern inverted rubber (except anti-spin, I guess) ... so I suspect it's your technique rather than the rubber that makes it "impossible" for you to banana flick. I'd suggest practicing this skill with the rubber you have, rather than searching for a "perfect" rubber. |
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Sometimes the blade and rubber combination makes the feeling different.
Also different dwell of rubber/ sponge skews your timing. The banana flick does feel different with different rubbers and you might have to relearn your touch or finds a similar rubber to M3 that worked... I'm not sure but someone may confirm if one of the soft Joola rubbers is similar to M3 and value for money. Or just check out Tibi on this forum for your M3's...
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BH-Man
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You mean we ACTUALLY gotta practice that (a LOT) ??? !!! Over and over and over...
That all sounds like one major bummer. U R a party pooper, dude. U sure as heck popped MY bubble. I always thought it would get easier if I used the best equipment available to man or beast.
Heck, U Urself... You're not good enough for T05 and you eat both Jeeps and 2000-2100 level players for breakfast. :) Edited by BH-Man - 04/05/2014 at 1:08pm |
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BH-Man - You paraphrase my opinion very well ... sorry for bursting your bubble :o)
But please don't give away my identity (under any circumstances), as I'm afraid that equipment manufacturers might put me on their most wanted list, or maybe hire a hit man to eliminate me from expressing my opinions on this forum. |
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OK Victor, I'll tell them your name is Bonecrusher and that you are a 592 lb vagrant panhandler wearing a two foot black beard (with Walmart curlers still in them) who is combing the beach somewhere in Florida. :)
Don't worry, if somehow Ur true identity and location become revealed, David C will kick their tail and take down names for you and your friends. David is doing a good job of cleaning up on the NE circuit. Edited by BH-Man - 04/05/2014 at 6:26pm |
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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What kind of style is a panhandler? Are they like penholders?
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I heard David C had retired actually because of lack of serious training partners in NE.
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to do bh flip: bf jp03 is the best so far. in general you need soft and grippy topsheet, soft or medium sponge (not harder than m2), and high throw. also x2 is very good due to the soft topsheet and soft sponge, but the topsheet is not grippy so you have to go with the blade more open. You miss fewer flips, but it does not spin as much as jp03; easier to counterloop. m2 is good too, but a bit too hard topsheet. jp03 is better for this reason. also 2.0 is better than max - more margin and same spin. |
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DistantStar
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Thanks a lot BH-Man. I really needed someone to vent their real life frustration by trolling on my legitimate question. You did not read my thread but insist on slapping a stereotype of Expensive taste on me. There is nothing expensive about my set up, except my blade which I plan to use over many years. In fact, CHEAP is a criteria for my rubber search. If I don't mind Tenergy price as you pointed out, I'd just get another sheet of M3, at 2/3 the price.
Thanks a lot toward the rest of you guys, really. Especially TT11 and Seguso for your valuable opinion. Also, for the robot setup, I use an Ipong over a stack of books on low setting :P (yeah I'm cheap), so the ball goes pretty short for Banana flick practice. I'll agree though, top spin bounce is lower than I want it to be for the flick, But I could do it, semi-consistently with the M3 |
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