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yogi_bear
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YEO or Stratus POwer wood + P7 + tibhar evolution fx-p
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Bro are you suggesting this for my opening post or my last post ( the last post of page 1 ). If you could please shed some light on my last post of page 1 as well :)
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If you could please shed some light on my last post of page 1. Thanks Edited by unstopabl3 - 09/17/2014 at 4:46am |
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Ok, my suggestions. You could stick with your blade but if you are that sure on buying a new one, the TBS you can't go wrong. It is just a solid choice, not too fast and not slow, great feeling and not too heavy, also pairs well with every rubber. As for rubbers, assuming your FH is active all if not most of the time then Tenergy05 or Bluefire M2 sound like your best choices. Could try T05FX if you prefer softer sponge. Your FH in my opinion is a no brainer and is more about choosing the medium-hard rubber of whatever brand your want. Your BH on the other hand is a little more complicated. This is because you want it faster and more spinny than Marv V but same control if not better. The ONLY rubbers imo that will give you the control you desire are rubbers like Raska Soft and similar tensors of that softness. You might want to check out Aurus Sound, Acuda S3, Genius Sound. Stay away from Really grippy topsheets like Tenergy, Bluefire, Evolution etc. The Mark V HPS will be a tad faster, same spin (maybe a bit more) but will lose a bit of control for it. Your BH is not as active as FH so need a softer sponge to forgive you a bit more. Hope this helped
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NextLevel
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You might as well flip a coin since we know very little about your game. These OFF arylate/arylate-carbon blades are similar enough that hairsplitting is a waste of time. Sure, some people will feel that one is definitely better than the other, but that has to do with each individual player's preferences (handle, outer ply feel) and experiences, and since two blades rarely if ever play exactly the same, there is variation in there as well. Table tennis is a practice/technique driven sport more than an equipment sport. That I would pick the Timo Boll ALC does not make me any smarter than the guy who would pick the Viscaria or Michael Maze or the TBS - all are good blades. The Zhang Jike is different enough that it might not suit some people, but some people like it for that reason.
These are all good blades, but there is a little more variation here and the differences in feel are more meaningful even if they don't make you that much better or worse. The only thing here that is slightly different is that the Primorac is OFF- and is slower than the rest and the senso carbon has carbon, even if it is not a power carbon blade. I have been thinking hard about getting a PowerWood, and I definitely dislike the YEO because it lacks the kind of feel I like in a blade, but some people like the hard contact and stiffness. But since I use a blade I bought for $50 with which I have played my best table tennis, I have stopped wasting my time with these things. Every time I want to get a new blade, I just stay away from table tennis for a few days and go back feeling better and ready to re-appreciate my blade. If you want to learn about blades, just find out what the materials in the blade are, especially the outermost material, and how thick the blade is. Over time, you will develop preferences based on how the blade feels and how these materials affect your shot. But this is not something someone else can force on you - you have to experience it but spending money is not the best way. There are people who hate soft outer plies like limba or hinoki but I cannot play without them (as in I enjoy the feel of those materials - whether they actually make me play better is a different story, but enjoyment counts for something). Timo Boll is using one kind of material, but Bojan Tokic is using an entirely different kind of blade, though both are supposedly the same speed in general.
Again, since the blade and rubber is not going to make that much of a difference to your game, just pick up one that has a good reputation and play with it for a long time. People have reviewed these rubbers extensively and to be honest, I am not that good a player, but I am advanced enough that I can play at about the same level with any of them. I would probably feel more comfortable now with T05, but that is because I have spent most of my playing career using T05 or Baracuda type rubbers on both sides. If you have someone at your club who plays with these, use his blade and see if you like it and find out what it is made of. If you don't have anyone in your club who plays with these blades/rubbers, then don't waste your time. Buy the one that makes you feel that you have the best equipment. If you work hard with it for about 6 months, you will become relatively consistent with it over a period of time. With that consistency, you can try out stuff from other people and see whether you like how it affects your shots. Then you can decide to switch. But these rubbers will not transform your game. Nothing but putting in the hours will. The only danger with buying fast blade is that without coaching, it will make you miss too much. But since you are set on an offensive blade, I will assume that you have an idea what you are doing. Edited by NextLevel - 09/17/2014 at 9:30am |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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NextLevel
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Short Answer:
Timo Boll ALC, T05 Forehand, Baracuda Backhand. Tibhar SPW, T05 Forehand, Baracuda Backhand. This assumes you like to loop on your backhand. |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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DreiZ
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So you don't knock your head against the wall and cause chaos on this thread... ill make this simple for you.
All BTY ALC BLADES PLAY VERY VERY SIMILAR, there is maybe a small margin of difference that only pros can notice. So if you pick an ALC blade out of the pool you provided you wont make a bad choice. It pretty much comes down to your preference of the handle color, aesthetics of the blade, comfort, etc. Minor non-playing characteristic issues. My recommendations are TB ALC or Viscaria + T05 FH + BH rubber of your choice. Bh rubber all depends on your technique and how developed it is. ***Note on any ALC blades - weight is important in how it will affect your feel and balance. Make sure to pick out a heavier (90-95g) blade if you want a heavy feel, vice versa get a lighter (80-85g) blade if you like a lighter feel. For all wood I wouldn't waste money on trying Primorac EX. My recommendations are Primorac OFF- or Tibhar SPW + T05 (for BTY Primo) or Evolution MXP (for Tibhar SPW) on FH + BH rubber of your choice. Again all depends on your technique and how you use your BH. Edited by DreiZ - 09/17/2014 at 2:02pm |
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unstopabl3
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Thanks for narrowing it down for me :)
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Thanks for narrowing it down for me :)
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unstopabl3
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Thanks for all the suggestions and help, you guys are really wonderful :)
After doing extensive research and comparisons I've decided to go with: Butterfly Timo Boll ALC Also need help with the rubbers now :) I have narrowed down my choices to: FH Andro Rasant Turbo = $53 Rakza 9 = $53 Maxxx 400 2.0 = $45 Which one of these has more dwell time, better spin on topspin rallies, better control and more incensitive to incoming spin??? Or does T05 or P7 win in all these requirements from this lot??? I'm shying from T05 and P7 because they are costing around $70 each and I think they will be a bit too fast for me switching from Rakza 7 and might take me longer time to adjust to them by which time the rubbers might wear off and I'll need to chip in another $70 lol Now for BH: Rakza 7 soft = $53 Baracuda = $44 Which one has better blocking capability, better control, more forgiving and better at receiving incoming spinny serves??? Thanks in advance guys! Edited by unstopabl3 - 09/18/2014 at 12:29pm |
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Oh yeah forgot to add, the rubbers should be glue friendly, as I'll take the rubbers off and try a few different combinations before falling in love with 1 setup :)
Also please do recommend a good glue and blade sealant which I'll order along with the rest of the setup. I hope there is no problem with shipping these chemical like products internationally, right??? |
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unstopabl3
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Also I do want to confirm, is the flared handle of TB ALC comfortable enough??? I like the handle of my Ma Lin Soft Carbon, so is it better, worse, same???
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DreiZ
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Flared handle of TB ALC is very comfortable for me. I've used a YEO flared as well and that felt comfortable too (I'm assuming all yasaka flared handles are the same, you should have no issue with BTY FL handles), it was a bit more rounder in the middle compared to TB ALC.
For glue I would choose Nittaku fine zip if you plan to take off rubbers a lot. I know nothing about sealer, I did get my YEO sealed by megaspin.net. No problems with it when I used it. Edited by DreiZ - 09/18/2014 at 5:46pm |
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Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g
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unstopabl3
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Thanks for the reply, I don't plan to take off the rubbers a lot, but when I do I want it to be an easy task. Is the butterfly WTB good as well??? And how's the reliability of megaspin in terms of genuine products and delivery timings??? Also please do give your input about the rubbers, I didn't choose T05 or P7 because I first want to get used to similar types of rubbers ( speed and spin ) before spending $70 on them :P
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DreiZ
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Very reliable. I've only ordered my blades from them but they get their stuff from American table tennis or other vendors. It's like Amazon for tt stuff. They even match weight if requested. I use Bty Free chalk, it's a nice strong bond but I've read it can splinter blades. I've never had any issues with it so far. I didn't seal my ALC because I didn't want it to affect any playing characteristics, top ply Koto doesn't splinter easily as I've read. I can't comment on those rubbers since I've never tried or used them. If they are slower than tenergy series you should be fine with any tensor on the alc. Edited by DreiZ - 09/18/2014 at 5:57pm |
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Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g
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unstopabl3
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Yes that's why I don't want to seal my blade when I first get it either so that I get to feel it's true characteristics, so I guess I won't get it sealed by the vendor and just do it later myself if required, right???
What weight should I order for TB ALC or does that depend on the rubbers I choose and their thickness??? |
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The standard weight for an ALC is 84g according to bty. So you can probably ask anything between 82-90g. I've seen some forums members here having 93g ALCs, which is rare I guess. It won't matter much honestly, unless you have a wrist/hand issue. TB ALC is a very balanced blade so almost any rubbers you'll put on it will feel balanced and not too head heavy. My total setup of 2x 2.1mm t05 + ALC weighs at ~188g. So that's probably as heavy as a setup will be since tenergy rubbers are pretty heavy.
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Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g
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unstopabl3
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Thank you everyone for your help, I'll be ordering soon :)
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Of course Tenergy is a great rubber, but i would say that there are many rubbers out there that can suit someone better that tenergy because it´s a rubber for very experienced players.. And using the same rubbers like the pros sadly does not make yourself a pro.
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good choice on blade. i would not upgrade rubber too much. +1 the guy who said some of these suggestions are crazy. MLSC isn't very fast. it's a pretty decent step up to go to TB ALC. unless you're looking to train for awhile w/o being able to do much in game, stick with rubbers similar to your current setup or just continue with the same to see how you like it on your new blade.
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