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pls update any garaydia/hadraw reviews |
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kurokami
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Posted: 04/11/2015 at 7:12pm |
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Viscaria
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Ray
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I would love to try Garaydia with Alhelg and Beautry. That would be fun combo, at least to pronounce.
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kurokami
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can anyone translate the axes titles? i can't read traditional chinese characters and they changed the labels
i just sort of guess y-axis is "repulsing/absorbing" which is good bc then garaydia has more dwell than TB ALC. i don't think it's directly translatable to speed bc ZLC def faster than ALC. |
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Viscaria
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kurokami
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nvm. got it
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Viscaria
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zeio
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The new plot is interesting. It used to be "Feel" and "Speed" for the x- and y-axis.
Now, the x-axis is "Vibrational characteristics", whereas the y-axis is "Rebound characteristics", the latter of which I take to be more or less a reflection of the coefficient of restitution. The first footnote says that the comparison of racket characteristics and average weight does not include premades, grip type, and playing style. The second footnote says that both the rebound and vibrational characteristics are the numerical representations of the measurements of bounce and frequency of vibration. The higher the value, the higher the bounce and the less the vibration.
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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kurokami
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what i don't understand is it seems to be implying IF ZLC is less bouncy than TB ALC. no way.
so garaydia is slightly lower than tb series, faster than IF but less vibration? i'm not sure i like that even with hinoki outers like nexy 3.5G. was going to consider buying it or hadraw with my initials
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Viscaria
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zeio
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It looks like the Innerforce Layer is more than a mere rebranding as the old plot listed the Innerforce ZLC as slightly speedier than the TB ALC. The headsize of the Innerforce Layer is smaller(157x150 vs 158x152).
Edited by zeio - 04/15/2015 at 10:55pm |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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thethinker
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Had a hit a few days ago with a friend's new Butterfly paddle that is not public yet and I seem to remember it's the Garaydia. It's a thick zlc blade. Great design and quality. Don't know the exact cost 'cause I know I can't afford it. Thickness seem to me like almost 8mm or at least Photino thick. Great hollow, soft feel when you hit and loop. I can compare to a great Viscaria type blade, much better. Had TG neo 3 (some version) and T05. Control and feel is awesome. For those who like the crisp feel and ability to product a quality shot with little swing it's perfect. Best ZLC blade that I have tried, better than TB ZLC and JM.
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adishorul
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http://issuu.com/butterfly.tt/docs/butterfly_catalogue_2015?e=4784838/11499284
Check at page 23 it is the blade matrix, all in English. |
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Ray
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Edited by taninu - 04/17/2015 at 11:27am |
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NA1NSXR
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If you've been in the game for a long time there is no need to consult the matrix. The construction gives the blade away. Garaydia ZLC is basically Amultart, ALC is basically Super Speed, and T5000 is basically Sardius reissued. There may be minor differences to the originals to fine tune the feel or appropriateness of the new ball, but really, the differences should be very minor if any at all.
While I am very happy to see these thick 3+2's back in the lineup after a short absence (and with all the handle options, especially ST!), I am disappointed there is no SZLC model. I know my own needs very well now, knowing that a thick hinoki-composite 3+2 around 7mm is what fits me best. I would be ready to splurge on a SZLC model. Another disappointment are the suggested retail prices. Looks like $200-300-even more are no longer taboo.
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LOOPMEISTER
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...Or Iolite...
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looneylooper
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Bty north America has the new.blades.in stock. Anyone tried the Garaydia ALC yet?
http://shop.butterflyonline.com/search?q=2015+Blades |
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CraneStyle
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Oh no... I Watched this and it has made me far too curious about the Garaydia ZLC...
Anybody here tried one..? |
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1. Mizutani Jun ZLC, FH T80, BH T05
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NA1NSXR
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My experience with the Garaydia ALC is that it was half what I expected, and half unexpected.
Since the glue ban I moved to thick 3+2 blades and I settled on a Xiom Strato, but in the Butterfly realm Primorac Carbon, Gergley, Sardius, Schlager, Amultart, Iolite, Photino, etc. are all just variations of the same theme. Compared to today's popular sub-6mm blades, the biggest difference is in low speed touch. Maximum speeds might be similar (depending on the blades you compare) but thin blades require a lot more input to bring the speed out of them. Thick 3+2's block a lot better because of this. However, you need a better touch around the net, but that was never the weakness of my game so these blades were a good fit. My current racket is a 6.9mm carbon version, and I was looking for a slight, and I mean very slight reduction in speed and an increase in feel. I felt that the Garaydia ALC's spec of 6.8mm and the use of ALC instead of straight carbon would be close to what I wanted on paper. This turned out to be only partially true for reasons I did not anticipate. First of all the blade was actually a bigger reduction in speed than anticipated, whether this is a bigger than expected difference between ALC and T5000, the shorter handle than my existing racket (lower leverage), or a combination, I don't know. It was just a bigger reduction in speed than what I felt should've come out of very small changes in spec. Second of all, Garaydia ALC did not provide more feel than my Xiom Strato (for Butterfly world purposes just think of it as a Primorac Carbon or Gergley). The reason seems to be that this new-school 3+2 utilizes a different ratio between core and top plies. If you look at all the original 3+2's, they almost all have massively thick and yummy top lies of hinoki to soften the combination of thick blade + composite. Garaydia ALC (and possibly the other Garaydia blades) have thicker cores are relatively thin (for a 3+2) top plies. The result is a sharper feel with about the same amount of vibration. I was a good blade overall, very versatile, and as a slower 3+2 it sits in the middle ground between a pure looping blade and something that can also do sharp blocking and hitting. I let it go though, mostly because I was more used to the handle on my old blade and the Garaydia wasn't a big enough change in the right direction for me to keep it. I wish the market would make more of these types of blades but I think they've fallen out of favor with today's pros with the glue ban and poly ball, and a new generation of players who only started in the last 10-15 years or so probably only played with sub-6mm rackets. I was in full "take my money" mode when BTY announced the Garaydia series but unfortunately they still like to make tiny handles and maybe I chose the wrong one. Perhaps the ZLC is a better fit for me. At the prices they're asking though, I think I'll just stick with what I have.
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BriDav12
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Yeah the zlc may be perfect for you. I have both the alc and zlc, and the zlc is clearly faster (significantly more at mid-distance). At the same time, I feel it has more feel than the alc, which i find to be numb. That's not to say that i dont like the alc, as it has nice control and is still plenty fast for me. My problem is that the zlc is too damn fast for me with T80 on fh/bh (I'm 1450 level in US), and I love tenergy. So it's hard to decide between alc/T80 and zlc/mark v.
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cherng
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I am using Garaydia ZLC. I have Timo ALC, Photino and Mizutani SZLC also.
Garaydia ZLC feels different from most of the blade, i guess most people need time to adjust if you come from Timo ALC, Photino. And, some people may not like the feel that Garaydia ZLC have. Garaydia ZLC has the same dwell time as Mizutani SZLC, but Garaydia ZLC is not springy. I would say, Garaydia ZLC will become a stable looping blade for both BH and FH once you initiate the looping. If you like to do short ball placement or high ball defence, this blade will NOT be good. Some players who like to perform slow loop, short ball BH flick to top spin every ball, you should consider this blade, you will find this blade enable your top spin easily. You will be able to perform top spin continuously without using too much of energy. Garaydia ZLC's short ball placement is not good as photino and Timo ALC, but definitely better than Mizutani SZLC. Mizutani SZLC is very difficult to place short as it is bouncy and springy. If you are using Garaydia ZLC, the best way overcome short ball is to perform slow flick to top spin all the short ball. Garaydia ZLC's defence/high ball placement is not that good compared to Timo ALC and Mizutani SZLC.
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BriDav12
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Cherng, thank you for taking the time to provide such insightful information. I find it fascinating, as I am clearly not in your league. I can agree with what you wrote though. I am a topspin attacker who just put mark v on FH and BH of my garaydia zlc, and I have finally found my setup. Looping from both sides at any distance is a breeze, and it's easy to get killer topspin. Even without high tension rubbers on the blade, my coach reported being surprised by the quality of rotation I was applying to the ball. I love having the confidence that comes with feeling fantastic control, while still having the ability to put plenty of pace on the ball. High intermediate and above loopers who could handle tensor rubbers on the garaydia zlc could surely do some serious damage at the club.
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