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Ayushjain199999
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Posted: 08/18/2015 at 2:13am |
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hey guys, i am pretty confused on what rubber to select for my backhand...
Tenergy 80fx or tenergy 80 or tenergy 05-fx.... |
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Ayush Jain
Blade- Butterfly Zhang Jike Super Zlc FH Rubber- Tenergy 05 BH Rubber- Tenergy 05-FX |
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IanMcg
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I see you have T05-FX on your backhand right now, how is it working out for you? Have you tried either T80 or T80-FX? If not, do any of the people you play with have a blade w/T80 or T80-FX? If so, then you should try it next time you play so that you can find out how they play.
All in all, I suggest going with the one you feel most comfortable with. |
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CraneStyle
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You will have to say what you like and dislike with your current choice. ...
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1. Mizutani Jun ZLC, FH T80, BH T05
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Da Baobei
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There is no "best Tenergy for bh". They excel in different areas so you will have to give us an idea of your style and what you want your bh rubber to be like.
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haggisv
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Exactly right... there are no forehand or backhand rubbers, it depends on your style (and level).
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Victor_the_cleaner
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80 is not good for BH. And FX is too soft for power loops. 64 for longer loops with lower arc, of 05 for shorter loops with higher arc. 25 was not successful rubber and not popular. 05 will do everything that 25 can do, and better.
With your blade i would recommend a different rubber. Rhyzm will feel much nicer. ZJK SZLC has kind of a styrofoam feel, and tenergy is very jumpy and catapulty and you will have very poor feel of direction and contol. Not actual control, just the feel will be poor.
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NextLevel
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Let's play a guessing game which is not about ratings - can anyone guess what blades and rubbers the players in this video are using since FX is supposedly too soft for power loops and 80 is not good for BH - all are currently over 2000 USATT. All rubbers are Tenergy except one (extra points to whoever can guess which of the 6 rubbers is not a Tenergy). You have till 5 pm today to play this game. There are two matches. Second match begins about 20 mins in.
Edited by NextLevel - 08/18/2015 at 11:56am |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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Da Baobei
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Leftyy
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Exactly, I often hear people say it's a good forehand rubber or a good backhand rubber. I don't really get this. Everyone has an unique game style and technique.
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NextLevel
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No guesses on the rubbers/blades yet? Anyone?
Where are all the equipment experts when you need them?
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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beeray1
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I can't effing stand when i hear "x rubber can/cannot do ___"
do you not get that it's YOU that can't do those things with stability. If you can't play every one of your shots with any rubber that is in the same category of what you play, the problem is 100% you. Tenergy 80 is a great backhand rubber. Tenergy 05FX is a great backhand rubber ANY tenergy is a great backhand rubber. You seriously cannot go wrong. The only significantly different one is 25, and at my lowly level I had no problems adjusting to doing drills with it and playing any of my shots when I had to borrow a racket for a practice session. I was able to play with stability and consistency/accuracy after not much time adjusting. I'm Not a good player. What's your excuse? The guessing game is fun, but I feel like that's next to impossible haha. Maybe guessing the non-tenergy can happen? But guessing the tenergy, no way.
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NextLevel
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But I thought that the Tenergys played differently enough that one could tell which was which... OK, fine. Hints: 1) 2 of the blades are from the Timo Boll Series while one is a Tibhar blade. 2) The non-Tenergy is an Xiom rubber. You don't have to guess the name of the non-Tenergy rubber, you just have to say who is using it and on what side. 3) None of the players are using T25 or T64 in any sponge hardness. That said, every player in the video drives the ball at least once if not more on both sides so I just want to know which of these rubbers are supposedly not for forehand or backhand or driving. |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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asifgunz
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if you really want BTY; go the liu shiwen way . Spin-Art for poly ball! until Ma long's bh rubber becomes commercially available around the world.
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Tk5
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Is this possible? I am pretty sure you can't tell what type of rubber or blade a player is using by watching them play. I mean I can' tell you what type of rubber or blade my opponent is using without looking at.
I am sure this is going to make some people furious but a former player and now coach who works and is sponsored by Butterfly Europe told me that tenergy 05 is a superior rubber to any of the other tenergies in terms of spin, trajectory and speed; and that 90% of pro players playing with butterfly use it on both sides. He said the other tenergies are just marketing and also for hobby/non-top players like us.
Edited by Tk5 - 08/18/2015 at 2:35pm |
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MLfan
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NextLevel
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I've heard the same thing from other players/coaches as well. There are a few things to consider when hearing that: 1. Jun Mizutani uses T64 on both sides. 2. Most/many pros boost. 3. Most pros have a game style that many of us would die playing because we don't have the training to do it.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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NextLevel
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The point is that repeatedly, we have had some players come and say this or that about what a rubber can or cannot do with barely any evidence other than their flawed technical understanding of the game (and I am guilty as well). There are at least 2 FX rubbers in the video, and there are 2-3 T80s in that video and I wanted to see if one could tell which ones were the FX rubbers by following the claim that
"T80 is a bad backhand rubber" and "FX rubbers are not good for driving the ball". At some point, I get tired of hearing it put in such uninformed terms so I try to find out whether it is true or not by looking at the evidence. So in that video, please tell me who could not drive the ball and whose backhand was too good for T80, while noting that the backhand that rocked may very well have T80 on it or the forehand that drove might very well have had an FX rubber on it? Ultimately, you know your preferred contact for looping the ball and you know what rubbers give you the best spin. Pretending that you know that for people with different feeling and hand speed is an exercise in ignorance. The best you can say is "for me, so so and so" based on "so so and so" and if you are like me, good and if not, too bad. The bottom line is that you have to try the rubber to know for yourself.
Edited by NextLevel - 08/18/2015 at 3:05pm |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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Tk5
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Nextlevel- You love disagreeing with me don't you
1. Jun Mizutani uses T64 on both sides. -In my post I said that he told me 90% of pro players use 05 on both sides 2. Most/many pros boost.- Irrelevant. Doesn't affect his comparison, boosting makes most rubbers better. He would still say a boosted 05 is better than a boosted tenergy of any other sort. 3. Most pros have a game style that many of us would die playing because we don't have the training to do it.- Hence my last sentence. He said the other tenergies were for marketing reasons and also could be better for hobby/non pros
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Baal
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I think so too, especially about throw and getting used to a setup. The only thing I would add is that on all-wood blades T64 feels pretty good to me right away but on an ALC blade I very much prefer T05 and have discovered I do best when I use the same rubber on both sides. I'm not a CNT player or anything. But I've been using the same kind of blade for a really long time, so that helps. Also, I haven't felt like changing any equipment with the new balls. |
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NextLevel
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Hey, I just like to help round out viewpoints that are presented in ways that don't analyze the fuller picture. All my points are explained by the following even though I originally presented them as separate facts: T05 is biased towards a heavy spin counterlooping game. If that is your main style, then T05 is for you, and that is the dominant style in today's game so it is no surprise that most pros use it. The topsheet grip is second to none amongst Tenergy rubbers and the sponge hardness and original spring sponge effect make the linearity and control better than then FX sponges on pushes and loop drives close to the table. Therefore, it is no surprise that more passive and away from the table players like Jun Mizutani use something else. The reason why boosting is important is that boosting also allows you to modulate some of the sponge elasticity and speed effects of the rubber. You can reduce the throw of T05 with boosting if you so desire, so in a sense, you can personalize it to your tastes while an amateur is more likely to use it out of the package.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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Tk5
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"Heavy spin counterlooping game" what is that (not a rhetorical question,seriously do explain because I don't know what that is)? I don't know anyone who wants to get into a counterloop rally because those points generally go 50-50. I know some players that like to serve deep and then look to counter attack or to give their opponent the opening and then counter attack. The dominant style in todays mens game is trying to win the point with as few of shots as possible.
So are you telling me that you can boost your rubber in a special way that will give it different affects than if you boosted it differently?
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NextLevel
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Do I have to tell you that for you to know that since different pros use different boosters in different amounts for different reasons? You can be facetious, but the dominant style is to actively play with heavy spin and counterlooping is the highest manifestation of the spin control required. You can test a rubber by how it responds from the spin build up. Most pros test rubber grip on 4th ball counterlooping after serve, receive, loop, counter. The response of the rubber on 4th ball lets them know whether the rubber is likely to perform under pressure or not.
Edited by NextLevel - 08/18/2015 at 3:58pm |
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Tk5
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Well every pro I've talked to about boosting, plays with tenergy or rubber like it, and they all use 1 layer of the same Hungarian booster.
Edited by Tk5 - 08/18/2015 at 4:00pm |
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Tk5
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I don't know what pro players testing a rubber has to do with this discussion. So by your logic a pro player would wan't their opponent to counterloop rather than block so they can then play the heaviest topspin possible? Of course not, the modern game is third ball attack and taking away the 3rd ball attack on the receiving end. But yea sure some players want their opponents to open first but just a small percentage.
Edited by Tk5 - 08/18/2015 at 4:21pm |
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cmetsbeltran15
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Interesting that this is how I've intuitively done it over the years. Could you share where you found out this information about the rubber testing process? |
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NextLevel
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You would have to strangle me for me to tell you, and I would probably die before letting you know. On a more serious note, it's simply what I have been told by every high level player I have asked the question when I ask why T05 is supposedly better than the rest. You want to put maximum pressure on the topsheet/rubber to test slippage and if it slips, you know it is trash. Of course, we can't do the level of spin generation they do or the touch they use, so our tests will never approach theirs. So we just have to take their word for it. At my level of course, many things do reasonably well on that test.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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cmetsbeltran15
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So when you ask top players about why T05 is the best they said it is because it has the least slippage and that that is the test they use? Interesting. I believe you were active in the Evolution thread as supporting it as one of the few viable options to Tenergy, and in fact, MX-P is being used by some top European players right now. |
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The story is never that simple, but yes, I think that the performance and the use of Evolution by Samsonov and Drinkhall at the last European games in Baku speaks for itself. I also think that the fact that Freitas (and Appolonia) moved to Butterfly also says that not everyone who likes Tenergy 05 will find Evolution satisfactory if they have very strict criteria, and it might not be necessarily about quality but also about style.
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CraneStyle
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Tenergy 64 isn't as simple as "it's good further away from the table ...
I've recently started using T64 on FH. Touch, Slow loops or fast tight power loops close to the table are awesome. ... Chuan Chih Yuan uses T64 on both sides. Watch how he rips it close in... I don't think it's a simple as "T05 is the best"... They all have their place and finding your fit isn't easy, as your fit can also evolve... |
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1. Mizutani Jun ZLC, FH T80, BH T05
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Da Baobei
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Even if t05 is the "best" and most used at pro level it definetly isn't the best bh rubber for us mere mortals.
@ fx being too soft for powerloops, you better tell Zhang Jike that his loops with 05fx aren't powerful enough. |
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