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lineup32 
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 Topic: throw anglePosted: 09/07/2015 at 11:41am |
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link to a discussion on throw angle:
https://thoughtsontabletennis.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/throw-angle/
Edited by lineup32 - 09/07/2015 at 11:43am |
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NextLevel
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Posted: 09/07/2015 at 4:25pm |
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By the way, the article is excellent. Would like to try T25 again to verify some of it.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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DreiZ
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Posted: 09/07/2015 at 8:23pm |
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About this article... Abit confused about low forces and high forces aspect of T64 vs T05, as well as T25 part. From the article... "For low forces the T64 is sufficient and creates a high arc or throw. But as soon as more force is applied the longer pimples of the T64 can’t withstand the force applied to them and do not bend but rather get smashed without to much resistance. The topsheet failed. Now we lose much of the upward force and can only rely on the ball eating force(yellow in one of our above examples). At the same time, the --- From the article... "You might have read it a thousand times here already, but again, nothing in life is free. The ability to handle high amounts of spin on the T25 comes at a price. The price is the fact, that you need a very high energy to compress the pimples and the sponge. If you try to make a thin brush loop against a slow ball, you won’t get any upward force. The sponge won’t get compressed because the low incoming force is distributed among the massive pimples and the pimples won’t bend. Hence intermediate players might say the T25 is a low throw rubber, because for them, on most of their ‘weak’ strokes it doesn’t create any arc. However, on power strokes, the arc is higher than the arc of the Tenergy 05 and T64 as correctly shown in the Butterfly video at the beginning. --- According to this article, the harder you dig into T25 sponge the more throw you will get on your shots, but on weaker shots it will act as a low throw rubber. This statement makes sense to me, but Butterfly advertises T25 as a high throw rubber for close to the table players and I quote "favors players able to hit the ball very thinly" - from their Butterfly Science: Tenergy Series video. My question is for anyone that actually tried T25, does it favor brush looping more than regular looping? I think I've read long time ago that T25 was created to mimic some aspects of tuned Chinese rubber without the tack, hence 'made for players close to the table, aggressive attackers'. Is that somewhat true or just a general statement? EDIT** I also just realized why Butterfly advertises T25 as "made for players close to the table, aggressive attackers". Close to table players would not prefer a high throw rubber unless ofcourse lifting backspin. But for loops close to the table a lower throw rubber would suffice in creating a more linear ball trajectory sending it deeper into the table, kinda like Hurricane 2? Correct me if I'm wrong. Good article btw. Edited by DreiZ - 09/07/2015 at 8:36pm |
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NextLevel
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Posted: 09/07/2015 at 8:50pm |
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DreIZ,
My guess is that hit the ball thinly means Brushing. The actual brush may actually be thick but hitting into the ball is generally discouraged.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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CraneStyle
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Posted: 09/08/2015 at 3:19am |
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DreiZ - T25 can brush and power loop, but generally favours powerful players...
The story - I recently tried and reviewend T25 on my backup Miz ZLC blade; I don't have the blade any more... After I had tested the rubber I was haunted by the accuracy and success I had with it, but was cautious about switching cos of the big difference in serving touch (FH) so I didn't switch but kept the blade made up with T05 on BH... A friend and higher division player had 2 bats stolen after an away match and asked me if I had a spare bat because I had made up his match bat... I describe him as a very fit alround FH attacking looping smashing and chopping player... I told him I only have this bat with T25 FH which I have just tested. I told him that T25 chops really well BTW... His match bat M. Maze ACL, had T05 FH T25FX BH... So he takes the bat and plays like he's had it for years and starts beating players easier than they used to beat him due to the consistency.. He then plays with it in Summer league matches and continues his success. His team captain tells him it's the best he has ever played. To cut a long story short, I sold him my No. 2 perfect blade/ bat because it was such a match that he had to have it and I agreed. ... Don't believe the (lack of) hype...  Edited by CraneStyle - 09/08/2015 at 6:41am |
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1. Mizutani Jun ZLC, FH T80, BH T05
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DreiZ
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Posted: 09/08/2015 at 8:36am |
Quite the story Crane, I've only played with T05 and T64 and was always curious about trying T25, maybe some day Ill try it, its pretty rare to see it on a paddle these days. Off topic but did he do anything about the 2 stolen bats? I mean that's like a few hundred dollars, a police report or anything?
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CraneStyle
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Posted: 09/08/2015 at 9:32am |
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The stolen bats - Not funny, it is a few hundred dollars. 1 M. Maze and 1 Timo Boll ZLC in mint condition...
The club has a lot of youngsters in it and the hope was that a parent would come forward. The rubbers alone (2 x T05, T25FX & T05FX) would get a kid by for about 2 years we reckoned... Very difficult to prove without catching them red handed or someone telling... Sick...  Edited by CraneStyle - 09/08/2015 at 9:35am |
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1. Mizutani Jun ZLC, FH T80, BH T05
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