New FH replacing P7

Donic Baracuda, Tibhar Genius and Andro Hexer. Those will be in your wheelhouse before you try the newer rubbers.

I loved my P7 and have been playing with T05, Rasant Powergrip and MX-P since Adidas' announcement. All of these rubbers differ from the P7. 

Edited by patrickhrdlicka - 11/06/2015 at 4:22pm

Old gen - Omega IV Asia (closest in terms of construction, from an ESN employee)

unstopabl3 wrote: AndySmith wrote: Old gen - Omega IV Asia (closest in terms of construction, from an ESN employee) New gen - Omega V Asia (closest according to me) You have loads of options of course, but going with a soft topsheet on a hard sponge is the path to a good P7 alternative. Andy which one is better Omega 4 Asia vs Omega 5 Asia? And have any of you tried Tibhar ELP since it's got a soft topsheet with medium hard sponge so many say it could be a good alternative to P7 ... whatya say?

Edited by AndySmith - 11/06/2015 at 5:11pm

I don't think Baracuda will suit people sho like to play far back and rely on catapult. Genius and Hexer are a bit better for that, Genius especially. But for pure spin, Baracuda rules. And my short game is much better with it since I can read spin better and need to control pace more. Don't say this anywhere but you might need some Falco if you use Baracuda.

All evo rubbers apart from mx-s have the factory boost, like the bluefire M series.

Don't trust TTDB. It's ok for general opinion, but the average ratings aren't scientific at all.

P7 is 47.5 degrees, OVA is 50 degrees, but the newer gen sponges feel a bit softer IMO. It isn't brick hard at all.

Jp are faster, lower throw (but not low), more catapult and less linear.

We know a few players who switched from Adidas P-7 to Tibhar MX-P and were generally satisfied, there are  differences in feel and performance with the rubbers but the MX-P is a high quality rubber and while some adjustments would be required, it's a reasonable choice to try out as an option.

tabletennis11 wrote: We know a few players who switched from Adidas P-7 to Tibhar MX-P and were generally satisfied, there are  differences in feel and performance with the rubbers but the MX-P is a high quality rubber and while some adjustments would be required, it's a reasonable choice to try out as an option.

Isn't MX-P too speedy with much harder sponge? Whereas EL-P is not too speedy and sponge is medium hard, so wouldn't that be a better alternative to P7?

Coming from P7 which rubber would you say would excite me most while not having to change too much of my game-style = MX-P, EL-P, OVA, Donic JP 02 (seems in between JP 01 and JP 03 and seems to be better overall, right?)

Thanks for your insight.

AndySmith wrote: All evo rubbers apart from mx-s have the factory boost, like the bluefire M series. Don't trust TTDB. It's ok for general opinion, but the average ratings aren't scientific at all. P7 is 47.5 degrees, OVA is 50 degrees, but the newer gen sponges feel a bit softer IMO. It isn't brick hard at all. Jp are faster, lower throw (but not low), more catapult and less linear.

Also Andy how's OVP compared to OVA and P7?

NextLevel wrote: unstopabl3 wrote: Yes I found P7 to be of low speed/power as well, but it's a trade off for it's other qualities like great control, medium throw etc etc. I've not tried tenergy yet, the price and high catapult has kept me away from it. I'll give it a try someday though, there's a reason why it's still so popular right :P I meant low spin sensitivity to incoming serves, which soft sponged rubbers are horrible at e.g Rakza 7 Soft :P Yes, and at some point, you just have to deal with it to get better as a player.  Spin sensitivity also means increased spin manipulation in the short game if you play actively.  The thing is with Baracuda, I can actually chop serves aggressively to start off the point when I can't read them because the rubber is not fast.  So the issue is stop putting your paddle out there - read the ball and manipulate it.

Yes, I've come to know the importance of reading spin and manipulating it, has improved my game a lot but still need more work :P

Another thing I've seen a lot of good players do is, press the ball with a certain angle/brush of the blade during a rally, which gives the ball a very downward trajectory on the return and it doesn't bounce as much as one would expect thus creating timing issues on return and issue on how much power needs to be put in to lift the ball over the net. Not sure what this term/technique is called but if it's disguised within a normal rally/counter rally it creates issues. And I've found P7 to be quite good at  returning this particular stroke and want a rubber which could do the same with similar ease.

vajica wrote: EL-P is nowhere near P7, hard topsheet with bouncy medium sponge. MX-P has soft top sheet, similar sponge, only problem is that it is much faster

If that's true wouldn't EL-P make a better BH rubber then?

Which one is better at service, service receive and lifting backspin? MX-P vs EL-P


Edited by unstopabl3 - 11/07/2015 at 9:20am

vajica wrote: EL-P is nowhere near P7, hard topsheet with bouncy medium sponge. MX-P has soft top sheet, similar sponge, only problem is that it is much faster

FX-P is closer to P7.