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    Posted: 01/26/2016 at 3:20pm

Hi Guys,

i'm playing with Tenergy 05FX (max) since 8 months or so.
I always disliked the high throw. I never liked the fact that i have to close my 
blade very much if i want to play fast topspins against block. 
It just doesn't feel very natural for me.

My typical topspin motion is more upwards than forwards.

I'm now thinking about a switch to Tenergy 64fx (only talking about forehand)

About me:

I'm a very offensive player who will attack almost every ball. My topspin is very spinny but not the fastest.


Can someone compare the differences for both regarding: 

·         throw angle (do you have to close the blade much for fast topspins against block?)

·         topspin against underspin (is it really difficult to lift underspin with a reasonably fast topspin?)

·         Serves (more difficult to serve low and short with much spin?)

·         touch play and spin sensitivity?



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T64-FX is too mushy on FH in my opinion. As you don't like the high throw of 05-FX you should get T25-FX instead.
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I would say, switch to T-80. T-25 or 25-FX is a very different animal.
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My opinion, my advice: fx version of Tenergies is a complete waste of money. Let me explain, tenergy was invented after the glue ban, so it is fast ,spinny and most of all CONSISTENT at very high speed that any other rubbers cant come even close with its consistency and it is way too durable.
Now fx version are spinny not fast and not durable and not consistant .so you can get any other rubber like fx version at half the price from any other brand.
Conclusion : find a regular Tenergy that suits you, start with 80 if you need more spin go to 05 ,easier to play go to 64.
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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

I would say, switch to T-80. T-25 or 25-FX is a very different animal.

Currently i like the FX versions more than the defaults.
Why 80 instead of 64?
Combines the best of both worlds?
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Originally posted by Mickael Mickael wrote:

My opinion, my advice: fx version of Tenergies is a complete waste of money. Let me explain, tenergy was invented after the glue ban, so it is fast ,spinny and most of all CONSISTENT at very high speed that any other rubbers cant come even close with its consistency and it is way too durable.
Now fx version are spinny not fast and not durable and not consistant .so you can get any other rubber like fx version at half the price from any other brand.
Conclusion : find a regular Tenergy that suits you, start with 80 if you need more spin go to 05 ,easier to play go to 64.


I find your statements inaccurate. Fx version is just a tic slower than regular version however it is still quite fast. Fx version not durable? I have sheets that are 2 years old with little change in performance. I believe Butterfly's move to raise prices again was a blunder on their part but I can't dispute the longevity of all the Tenergys. Cleaning with the proper sponge, limiting the use of rubber cleaners/conditioners and using a cover film really makes a difference. BTY claims you don't need a cover film, I disagree as they wish your rubber to wear faster so you must buy sooner than later. I do agree that there are FX type rubbers at half the cost that perform very well.

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Sounds like your swing needs help. Always looping with a more upward than forward swing is going to yield a higher throw with any offensive rubber. I know where you're coming from, I used to play the same way by trying to beat all my opponents with more spin. I've learned as I've advanced that speed is what wins points. Giving your opponent less time to react to your fast ball, forces errors on their part. Spin is just used to keep the ball from flying long off the table. Spin is a lot of fun though.

I'm curious what blade you are using as this will also effect whether a rubber seems high throw or not. All blades that are said to flex upon contact will affect the throw angle

Being as your swing is mostly upward, I'd recommend T64 being that it's one of the two lowest throw Tenergy rubbers and it has a long trajectory. The trajectory really shouldn't matter due to the lack of forward momentum in your swing. Control during play near the net will be decent too. If not, try loosening your grip some. Soft hands.
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Originally posted by MindTrip MindTrip wrote:

Sounds like your swing needs help. Always looping with a more upward than forward swing is going to yield a higher throw with any offensive rubber. I know where you're coming from, I used to play the same way by trying to beat all my opponents with more spin. I've learned as I've advanced that speed is what wins points. Giving your opponent less time to react to your fast ball, forces errors on their part. Spin is just used to keep the ball from flying long off the table. Spin is a lot of fun though.

I'm curious what blade you are using as this will also effect whether a rubber seems high throw or not. All blades that are said to flex upon contact will affect the throw angle

Being as your swing is mostly upward, I'd recommend T64 being that it's one of the two lowest throw Tenergy rubbers and it has a long trajectory. The trajectory really shouldn't matter due to the lack of forward momentum in your swing. Control during play near the net will be decent too. If not, try loosening your grip some. Soft hands.

I play with the Michael Maze Off Blade.

Yesterday i had the opportunity to test a mates blade.
It was a Zhang Jike ALC with Tenergy 64 and Tenergy 05fx and i really really liked it.
My forehand was much more consistent especially against incoming topspins. I tried to switch the sides and played with T05fx again and i had the same problems i used to have with my own blade.

I only read that the T25 is a very different rubber and is only suitable close to the table which is not my game so that doesn't seem to be an option.

I think i will try the T64fx.

Thanks for your opinions and experiences.
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Originally posted by Mickael Mickael wrote:

My opinion, my advice: fx version of Tenergies is a complete waste of money. Let me explain, tenergy was invented after the glue ban, so it is fast ,spinny and most of all CONSISTENT at very high speed that any other rubbers cant come even close with its consistency and it is way too durable.
Now fx version are spinny not fast and not durable and not consistant .so you can get any other rubber like fx version at half the price from any other brand.
Conclusion : find a regular Tenergy that suits you, start with 80 if you need more spin go to 05 ,easier to play go to 64.

I play with 05fx on FH and it is more durable than tensors I've used. To OP, if you want to go with FX versions, perhaps consider 80FX?
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Originally posted by Stao Stao wrote:

Originally posted by MindTrip MindTrip wrote:

Sounds like your swing needs help. Always looping with a more upward than forward swing is going to yield a higher throw with any offensive rubber. I know where you're coming from, I used to play the same way by trying to beat all my opponents with more spin. I've learned as I've advanced that speed is what wins points. Giving your opponent less time to react to your fast ball, forces errors on their part. Spin is just used to keep the ball from flying long off the table. Spin is a lot of fun though.

I'm curious what blade you are using as this will also effect whether a rubber seems high throw or not. All blades that are said to flex upon contact will affect the throw angle

Being as your swing is mostly upward, I'd recommend T64 being that it's one of the two lowest throw Tenergy rubbers and it has a long trajectory. The trajectory really shouldn't matter due to the lack of forward momentum in your swing. Control during play near the net will be decent too. If not, try loosening your grip some. Soft hands.


I play with the Michael Maze Off Blade.

Yesterday i had the opportunity to test a mates blade.
It was a Zhang Jike ALC with Tenergy 64 and Tenergy 05fx and i really really liked it.
My forehand was much more consistent especially against incoming topspins. I tried to switch the sides and played with T05fx again and i had the same problems i used to have with my own blade.

I only read that the T25 is a very different rubber and is only suitable close to the table which is not my game so that doesn't seem to be an option.

I think i will try the T64fx.

Thanks for your opinions and experiences.


I think you should try T64...

You can transition from T05FX to T64 with improved short game touch and variable speed loops and drives...

You may be surprised how different (some say strange) T64FX is compared to T05FX...
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Originally posted by CraneStyle CraneStyle wrote:

Originally posted by Stao Stao wrote:

Originally posted by MindTrip MindTrip wrote:

Sounds like your swing needs help. Always looping with a more upward than forward swing is going to yield a higher throw with any offensive rubber. I know where you're coming from, I used to play the same way by trying to beat all my opponents with more spin. I've learned as I've advanced that speed is what wins points. Giving your opponent less time to react to your fast ball, forces errors on their part. Spin is just used to keep the ball from flying long off the table. Spin is a lot of fun though.

I'm curious what blade you are using as this will also effect whether a rubber seems high throw or not. All blades that are said to flex upon contact will affect the throw angle

Being as your swing is mostly upward, I'd recommend T64 being that it's one of the two lowest throw Tenergy rubbers and it has a long trajectory. The trajectory really shouldn't matter due to the lack of forward momentum in your swing. Control during play near the net will be decent too. If not, try loosening your grip some. Soft hands.


I play with the Michael Maze Off Blade.

Yesterday i had the opportunity to test a mates blade.
It was a Zhang Jike ALC with Tenergy 64 and Tenergy 05fx and i really really liked it.
My forehand was much more consistent especially against incoming topspins. I tried to switch the sides and played with T05fx again and i had the same problems i used to have with my own blade.

I only read that the T25 is a very different rubber and is only suitable close to the table which is not my game so that doesn't seem to be an option.

I think i will try the T64fx.

Thanks for your opinions and experiences.


I think you should try T64...

You can transition from T05FX to T64 with improved short game touch and variable speed loops and drives...

You may be surprised how different (some say strange) T64FX is compared to T05FX...

Do you mean i should try T64 instead of T64fx?
And if yes how big is the difference between both?

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Yes, you should try T64. After T05FX you will like how it plays and behaves for service return (less spin sensitive), lower throw, less bounce for short game and power when needed with the plastic balls...


A team member had T64 on FH and 64FX on his BH initially...

It sent him crazy and no matter how he flip his blade he always preferred the T64 on either FH or BH, as T64FX failed him on shots he did easier with T64...

I have tried T64FX and it does not respond naturally to me, some may like it...

I personally would put T64FX below T25 in natural usability ... And everybody here knows that is saying something...

T64 is a very linear rubber and very easy to play with; I use it FH & BH. (I don't use my 2. Choice in my signature at all...)

T64FX is more than a soft version of T64. T64FX plays a lot different to T64. T64FX reacts sluggishly to quick hand movements to me (could be extreme catapult). ...

I suggest you try your friends blade (T05FX vs T64) again before you buy...

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Originally posted by CraneStyle CraneStyle wrote:


You may be surprised how different (some say strange) T64FX is compared to T05FX...


T64-FX is indeed a very strange rubber, imho - I would even go as far as to claim it's not a Tenergy at all (doesn't play like one).
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Am I the only one who thinks it unbelievable that people can play with such soft rubbers on the forehand? T05 is a must for the forehand! 
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Originally posted by MLfan MLfan wrote:

Am I the only one who thinks it unbelievable that people can play with such soft rubbers on the forehand? T05 is a must for the forehand! 


Am I the only one who thinks that playing with anything but Hurricane 3 National Special CNT Edition on the FH is unthinkable and should be punished by three year of hard labor? Paying $150 is a small price to avoid such a cruel but well-deserved fate, right?

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There is nothing called h3 national, i refer you to ovtcharov last interview jimT! Ma long and the national team plays with kind of tenergy rubbers with a tacky topsheet. To backup my claim, just tell me where to find this incredible rubber and where is it sold?
I know the answer: it is not sold because it is a kind of tenergy clone that they are not allowed to market or sell, and everyone believes the lies that dhs do not like to sell or make money just to keep the Chinese supremacy! Complete nonsense. They have a better rubber than Tenergy but only produced in dozen! and believe me it is better and ma long and all the others had showed it:)
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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by MLfan MLfan wrote:

Am I the only one who thinks it unbelievable that people can play with such soft rubbers on the forehand? T05 is a must for the forehand! 


Am I the only one who thinks that playing with anything but Hurricane 3 National Special CNT Edition on the FH is unthinkable and should be punished by three year of hard labor? Paying $150 is a small price to avoid such a cruel but well-deserved fate, right?

After all, Ma Long plays with it and who are we to argue with that? Bunch of nobodies that's who...

If you can't do Tenergy 05, there is Evolution MX-P or EL-P.  Just saying.  Cost is no longer the excuse it used to be.  And no, the spin is not quite the same, but almost everything else is.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by MLfan MLfan wrote:

Am I the only one who thinks it unbelievable that people can play with such soft rubbers on the forehand? T05 is a must for the forehand! 


Am I the only one who thinks that playing with anything but Hurricane 3 National Special CNT Edition on the FH is unthinkable and should be punished by three year of hard labor? Paying $150 is a small price to avoid such a cruel but well-deserved fate, right?

After all, Ma Long plays with it and who are we to argue with that? Bunch of nobodies that's who...

If you can't do Tenergy 05, there is Evolution MX-P or EL-P.  Just saying.  Cost is no longer the excuse it used to be.  And no, the spin is not quite the same, but almost everything else is.

I already played with MX-P a while ago but my technique wasn't that good as it is today (i restarted playing after 10 years abstinence and receive real training for the first time so you can say i almost started again from scratch)
I kinda liked it and maybe i will give it another turn in the future :)

for now i will try the T64 as my second unit with my mates blade was again very good and i'm starting to love the rubbers characteristics.

Tomorrow i have a league match and maybe i will use my mates blade for that  Tongue
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   Dear (=85 usd) novelty rubber by Butterfly just announced on market.
The new design of Bryce topsheet would be aiming to compensate for the spin lost on plastic ball, is it not?

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Today i played the first time with my own bat with a new T64 (no fx) on it and
my first impressions (different exercises with a coach and short matches against different guys)
were very good. My topspins were faster with a lower trajectory and at the same time more consistent but with less spin.

counter topspins are much easier. receiving seems to be easier as well. It seems there are no disadvantages for now but i guess i will have to play some league matches and see how it goes.

I bought a Tenergy 80 as well to replace my 05fx on my backhand in the future. I switched sides today
and it seems my backhand topspins are more consistent with the 64 (a very good mate said they were much more dangerours) so i thought to try out the T80.

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I'm curious if I can follow in your footsteps.. I started playing with tacky/hard Chinese rubbers but they were too fast for me so I switched to tacky/slow Chinese rubbers.. which was great but then I wasn't able to loop from far away, so I switch to less tacky, tensioned Euro style rubbers (05-FX).. and it's not bad and I think I can get used to it but I have more fun with slower, spinny rubbers, at least I think so, and I kinda want to go back to that,  but maybe there is a middle-way?

on the 05-fx I can counter-loop from far well but it's a strange feeling for me.. doesn't feel like I'm doing as much work as the rubber is and shots land usually at the far end of the table.. the other thing is I don't have much of a sense of how much spin is on the ball, whereas with the slower spinny rubbers, I really get a sense for the spin when the rubber bottoms out, and loops will usually land mid-court almost and kick up high from the topspin.. 

according to this graph from butterfly (http://postimg.org/image/uhwu6rmmz/), it looks like the 64 and 25 are both faster than the 05 so I don't know if it will help me.. I'm thinking I want like a TACKIFIRE or something in that area.. but not really sure.. does anyone loop with defensive/chopping rubber?
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Originally posted by codectified codectified wrote:

I'm curious if I can follow in your footsteps.. I started playing with tacky/hard Chinese rubbers but they were too fast for me so I switched to tacky/slow Chinese rubbers.. which was great but then I wasn't able to loop from far away, so I switch to less tacky, tensioned Euro style rubbers (05-FX).. and it's not bad and I think I can get used to it but I have more fun with slower, spinny rubbers, at least I think so, and I kinda want to go back to that,  but maybe there is a middle-way?

on the 05-fx I can counter-loop from far well but it's a strange feeling for me.. doesn't feel like I'm doing as much work as the rubber is and shots land usually at the far end of the table.. the other thing is I don't have much of a sense of how much spin is on the ball, whereas with the slower spinny rubbers, I really get a sense for the spin when the rubber bottoms out, and loops will usually land mid-court almost and kick up high from the topspin.. 

according to this graph from butterfly (http://postimg.org/image/uhwu6rmmz/), it looks like the 64 and 25 are both faster than the 05 so I don't know if it will help me.. I'm thinking I want like a TACKIFIRE or something in that area.. but not really sure.. does anyone loop with defensive/chopping rubber?

For me the speed was no reason to switch to 64 but the more "direct" characteristic and less spin sensibility. 
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