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Bobobo 
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 Topic: chinese vs japanese rpbPosted: 01/26/2016 at 3:50pm |
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I was wondering which grip (chinese or japanese penhold) has a more effective rpb and why that is?
Thanks in advance. Edited by Bobobo - 01/26/2016 at 6:05pm |
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jpenmaster
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Posted: 01/26/2016 at 5:43pm |
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I play Jpen rpb and have played rpb with cpen. If you are starting from scratch cpen is easier. Its a thinner blade (usually) and there are more players who play cpen rpb so it gives you a lot more video reference and possible coaches. Jpen can be done. If you want a Hinoki jpen to try rpb I would suggest an Armstrong Apex 21 as its under 9mm, light and the cork is already set up on the BH for rpb. Good Luck!
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Posted: 01/26/2016 at 6:02pm |
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Posted: 01/26/2016 at 6:03pm |
Which one would you say is more effective when you learn how to do it properly with both grips?
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Posted: 01/26/2016 at 6:13pm |
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Wang Jian Jun is the only high level player I know of that has played on the professional circuit with both the Jpen and the Cpen grip with an an excellent RPB. You can look at videos of him. A CNT training partner, he originally trained as a Cpen player, and was asked to switch to Jpen to counter Korean Jpen. In his prime, he was a very strong and talented player. He seems to prefer Cpen.
The advantage Cpen confers is more wrist flexibility, useful for the RPB close to the table. The advantage of Jpen is on the forehand. When combined with a thick, e.g. 10mm, 1-ply Hinoki, it makes for a devastating forehand loop. But the price is lack of flexibility on the backhand for the RPB.
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jpenmaster
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Posted: 01/26/2016 at 6:18pm |
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There is no answer for that .... It depends on the user. I prefer jpen but its because I played it long before I had a rubber sheet on the backside. I would bet money you will not see a jpen player playing rpb ever crack the top 25 and it has been done many time with cpen even #1 so technically cpen is more effective.
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Posted: 01/26/2016 at 6:42pm |
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Here is Mr. cheeky WJJ using Jpen with RPB in the Chinese Superleague a million years ago. It's a bit painful to see him in the European leagues these days but he still has the occasional good result.
Edited by sandiway - 01/26/2016 at 6:44pm |
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Posted: 01/27/2016 at 12:58am |
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The rpb is already not a very natural stroke, it is even more awkward with the jpen grip. I find it a lot harder to get the right blade angle with jpen plus you have less margin of error because of the smaller head... I believe this is why wjj switched back to the Cpen blade...
I believe the jpen grip is created to be fh oriented... I opted to use a sheet of lp on my bh for variation.. In case you are set on jpen rpb here is a really good modern jpen rpb player https://youtu.be/O6xVPFgk00c |
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Posted: 01/27/2016 at 1:41am |
That's a matter of perspective.Look at Wang Hao. It's a very natural stroke. Just like shakehands. That video is rather interesting. Matsushita Taisei seems to be a national class player with a very aggressive forehand. He looks good because his opponent is quite a bit weaker than him. His RPB seems quite poor in this video. I see he got to represent Japan here. |
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Posted: 01/28/2016 at 12:39am |
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Qiu Dang is probably the best current Jpen with RPB that I know of.
He is playing in the current German Open. Oh well, he is out.
Here he is playing Wang Xi: In the German Open, there is a video http:////cdn.laola1.tv/ittf/iframe/player.html?pfad=mp4:CHANNEL1-Seniors/2016/ittf_berlin/160027_t2_ALAMIAN_Nima_IRI_QIU_Dang_GER |
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Posted: 01/28/2016 at 1:09am |
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Great video!
Qui Dang is the reason I consider trying RPB on my jpen. |
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