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    Posted: 02/25/2016 at 8:29pm
I have a question about pure sidespin in terms of how to counter it or where should I try to make contact on the ball and where to aim to hit on the table as I feel I struggle a lot against it.

If lets say a left hander is putting sidespin from his FH side to a right handed players BH side the ball is going to sharply jump further away from the BH of the right handed player.

So my question is where should the right handed player look to make contact on the ball as in 12,9,3,6'o clock position etc.

Also is there a part of the table that's safer to try and hit giving higher percentage to land shots?

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If you're blocking with the FH, you need to angle your bat to the side (pointing forwards). If you're blocking with the BH, best is to track the ball with your bat motion (i.e. your bat would be moving from right to left), so that you don't miss it completely. You can watch how Hao Shuai or Zhang Jike blocks with the BH, they track the ball movement very closely.

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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

If you're blocking with the FH, you need to angle your bat to the side (pointing forwards). If you're blocking with the BH, best is to track the ball with your bat motion (i.e. your bat would be moving from right to left), so that you don't miss it completely. You can watch how Hao Shuai or Zhang Jike blocks with the BH, they track the ball movement very closely.

Safest place to hit on the table is where your opponent can't reach it! Wink


Thanks but Unfortunately I donot understand this as easily, I am still confused for if hitting with my forehand would I need to hit inside out to hit crosscourt to make the ball land? or can I hit down the line?

Its easy to say where my opponent can't reach it but what I want to know is what is the safest place to have most chances of landing the ball given pure sidespin from a left hander landing on my backhand side as a right handed player.

Plus I would like to know the optimal contact point on the ball.


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Originally posted by viva viva wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

If you're blocking with the FH, you need to angle your bat to the side (pointing forwards). If you're blocking with the BH, best is to track the ball with your bat motion (i.e. your bat would be moving from right to left), so that you don't miss it completely. You can watch how Hao Shuai or Zhang Jike blocks with the BH, they track the ball movement very closely.

Safest place to hit on the table is where your opponent can't reach it! Wink



Thanks but Unfortunately I donot understand this as easily, I am still confused for if hitting with my forehand would I need to hit inside out to hit crosscourt to make the ball land? or can I hit down the line?

Its easy to say where my opponent can't reach it but what I want to know is what is the safest place to have most chances of landing the ball given pure sidespin from a left hander landing on my backhand side as a right handed player.

Plus I would like to know the optimal contact point on the ball.




Sorry if I was unclear, if you're blocking against lefthander FH topspin with your FH (as a righthander), you would normally angle your bat so that you contact the top and right side of the ball.

If you're blocking it with your BH it is extremely difficult to use spin avoidance tactics (inside out blocks contacting on the right side of the ball) since that will cause you to miss the ball more often than not, so it is best to go along the spin, by tracking the ball with your bat movement (basically a right-to-left movement). This will help you return the sidespin back, and also help you to control the spin better (otherwise it would always shoot off to your right). Check out how Ma Long blocks against Xu Xin's FH loops. It's a bit hard to explain in words.
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He is looking for how to loop them, not how to perform them.

My old answer would have been something detailed based on stopping or continuing the spin and not lifting the ball. In other words, use a fade or hook stroke.

My new anewer is that you should just practice against them and you will get better at attacking them.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

He is looking for how to loop them, not how to perform them.

My old answer would have been something detailed based on stopping or continuing the spin and not lifting the ball. In other words, use a fade or hook stroke.

My new anewer is that you should just practice against them and you will get better at attacking them.

Oh! If you were to loop against them, you just need to overpower the incoming spin using your own spin. Overcompensating using bat angles is not the way to go as you'll lose even more control. The loop is powerful enough to neutralize your opponent's spin. I fully agree with NextLevel here that you just need to practice looping against them, and make sure to maximize your spin production. 
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by viva viva wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

If you're blocking with the FH, you need to angle your bat to the side (pointing forwards). If you're blocking with the BH, best is to track the ball with your bat motion (i.e. your bat would be moving from right to left), so that you don't miss it completely. You can watch how Hao Shuai or Zhang Jike blocks with the BH, they track the ball movement very closely.

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Thanks but Unfortunately I donot understand this as easily, I am still confused for if hitting with my forehand would I need to hit inside out to hit crosscourt to make the ball land? or can I hit down the line?

Its easy to say where my opponent can't reach it but what I want to know is what is the safest place to have most chances of landing the ball given pure sidespin from a left hander landing on my backhand side as a right handed player.

Plus I would like to know the optimal contact point on the ball.




Sorry if I was unclear, if you're blocking against lefthander FH topspin with your FH (as a righthander), you would normally angle your bat so that you contact the top and right side of the ball.

If you're blocking it with your BH it is extremely difficult to use spin avoidance tactics (inside out blocks contacting on the right side of the ball) since that will cause you to miss the ball more often than not, so it is best to go along the spin, by tracking the ball with your bat movement (basically a right-to-left movement). This will help you return the sidespin back, and also help you to control the spin better (otherwise it would always shoot off to your right). Check out how Ma Long blocks against Xu Xin's FH loops. It's a bit hard to explain in words.


Thank you that makes more sense to me now. I am assuming when you said FH topspin you meant forehand sidespin. 

Will try to look at Ma long's block on youtube if I find any.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

He is looking for how to loop them, not how to perform them.

My old answer would have been something detailed based on stopping or continuing the spin and not lifting the ball. In other words, use a fade or hook stroke.

My new anewer is that you should just practice against them and you will get better at attacking them.

I understand practice against them, but I played this one guy at a tournament and had a tough time not too many people I play against just have pure sidespin with very little topspin and I rarely get to play lefties :-(
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Originally posted by viva viva wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

He is looking for how to loop them, not how to perform them.

My old answer would have been something detailed based on stopping or continuing the spin and not lifting the ball. In other words, use a fade or hook stroke.

My new anewer is that you should just practice against them and you will get better at attacking them.

I understand practice against them, but I played this one guy at a tournament and had a tough time not too many people I play against just have pure sidespin with very little topspin and I rarely get to play lefties :-(

Nothing is wrong with losing against something you haven't practiced playing against.  Over time, your ability to set up the point and the power of your topspin will eliminate such things if you are improving.  And if not, just look at how other players played them to get an idea of why they are rated what they are rated.
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Maybe this is too simple and stupid to be useful, but if you do your normal loop stroke and miss, where does the ball go? If it goes off the side of the table then aim more back the other way the next time your opponent uses that block. If it misses long off the end then treat that block more like topspin than underspin.



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Thanks BRS that's what I do but sometimes it causes a change in momemtum. I wanted to know where to visualize hitting the ball if its pure topspin especially where to make contact on the ball to counter the spin to get going into the rally. 
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So yeah I run into this in matches too. Lots of heavy deep side spin off the serve.

So far I have two ways of handling it - block it by using the angle of the paddle or attack it.

Attacking it means you want to brush the top of the ball, hit with a closed paddle. You'll have to experiment with just how much force you want to use. Brush more with a closed angle. If done right it can create an extremely nasty amount of spin for the server and in my experience can end the point right there based on the spin alone.

I have entirely swapped around my results vs this serves in the last 6 months. From always losing to often winning.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

He is looking for how to loop them, not how to perform them.

My old answer would have been something detailed based on stopping or continuing the spin and not lifting the ball. In other words, use a fade or hook stroke.

My new anewer is that you should just practice against them and you will get better at attacking them.
I thought he asked how to block sidespin
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I think if the opposition is looping hard to your backhand , you must try harder to get behind the ball rather than reach
also try and keep the ball away from their midcourt. ie more to their backhand rather than them looping at you all day
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a well performed side spin block catches most players off guard. the smartest thing to do is control the ball and send the sidespin back to the blocker.
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Originally posted by wilkinru wilkinru wrote:

So yeah I run into this in matches too. Lots of heavy deep side spin off the serve.

So far I have two ways of handling it - block it by using the angle of the paddle or attack it.

Attacking it means you want to brush the top of the ball, hit with a closed paddle. You'll have to experiment with just how much force you want to use. Brush more with a closed angle. If done right it can create an extremely nasty amount of spin for the server and in my experience can end the point right there based on the spin alone.

I have entirely swapped around my results vs this serves in the last 6 months. From always losing to often winning.



what angle where on the ball do you hit at what position bottom , top, side left, side right etc.
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Originally posted by Skyline Skyline wrote:

a well performed side spin block catches most players off guard. the smartest thing to do is control the ball and send the sidespin back to the blocker.


 so do you hit the outside of the ball? 
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Originally posted by smackman smackman wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

He is looking for how to loop them, not how to perform them.

My old answer would have been something detailed based on stopping or continuing the spin and not lifting the ball. In other words, use a fade or hook stroke.

My new anewer is that you should just practice against them and you will get better at attacking them.
I thought he asked how to block sidespin

I was asking how to block it as well.


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Ping skills has a video on pushing and blocking with sidespin. There is a difference between learning to block with sidespin and blocking sidespin. So the ask should be made clearer

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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Ping skills has a video on pushing and blocking with sidespin. There is a difference between learning to block with sidespin and blocking sidespin. So the ask should be made clearer

Thank you will look for the video !
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