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    Posted: 08/29/2016 at 9:22am
Hello Everyone,

Well I'm ready to plunk down some serious money on an advanced TT robot, but just wanna try and get some opinions before doing so. A friend of mine bought the Power Pong robot last year for about $1800 I think and he really loves it. He did mention though that it's not the best robot for serves. Does anyone have any recommendations for a robot that can produce good serves?
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I'd like to buy this badboy someday.

Paddle Palace A32W PRO




I've emailed them and they say it handles all plastic balls fine (something I can't say for the 2 newgy models I've tried).

Furthermore, it's a two wheel design so you can practice vs no spin. Is this the best robot? I have no idea. But I would recommend whatever you get, it's a two wheel design so you can get that element of practicing service return.
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I have the Paddle Palace H2W Touch Pro robot (think it cost around $1900).

It is fantastic but I would not say that it is a good robot for serves. First: it can't give you the 2-bounce serve without some adjustment to the robot stance (in which case, you can't rally after serves). 2nd: it does not throw strong, short underspin.

However, for ease of use and general footwork drills, it is awesome.

I think the Butterfly robots might be better at serves.


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Originally posted by suds79 suds79 wrote:

I'd like to buy this badboy someday.

Paddle Palace A32W PRO




I've emailed them and they say it handles all plastic balls fine (something I can't say for the 2 newgy models I've tried).

Furthermore, it's a two wheel design so you can practice vs no spin. Is this the best robot? I have no idea. But I would recommend whatever you get, it's a two wheel design so you can get that element of practicing service return.

That's not exactly true. I did purchase the paddle palace robots with the two throw wheels for "independent speed and spin" settings. However, the spin is still directly tied to the speed!

I now use the amicus pro from butterfly and it does have independent speed and spin settings. Meaning you can have a super spinny, but super slow ball or a super fast ball with no spin. It has every spin combination you could think of as well! I've tried a few of the high-end robots, and the amicus pro is by far my favorite, especially for the purposes Dave wants.

Having said that, you still might need to be a bit creative to get the exact serve you want. As far as adjusting head height and distance from the table etc. 

The only downside to the amicus robot... is that it's meant to be portable and attach to tables (I set mine on a chair/box), but the machine doesn't appear overly durable! Flimsy connections and whatnot. I had to return my first one due to a faulty pin. The paddle palace robot is much sturdier, and is also substantially heavier. It rolls around on wheels and isn't meant to be overly portable like the butterfly. 


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Don't think there is a robot on the market that can serve a normal (feeling) 2nd bounce at endline with the first bounce mid table on the server's side.

If I back the robot away from the table, it's sorta almost possible...
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well there is that newstar 2080 tt robot that is supposed to be the most advanced by far, but after that what do people think is best? There is the Paddle Palace H2W Pro (see Y&T robots), the Amicus/Power Pong robot, and Butterfly has the Smartpong robot as well. It's over $2000. Does it only have 1 wheel though? It looks pretty cool, but have never read a review about it. Does anyone have one, or know anything about it?
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Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

well there is that newstar 2080 tt robot that is supposed to be the most advanced by far, but after that what do people think is best? There is the Paddle Palace H2W Pro (see Y&T robots), the Amicus/Power Pong robot, and Butterfly has the Smartpong robot as well. It's over $2000. Does it only have 1 wheel though? It looks pretty cool, but have never read a review about it. Does anyone have one, or know anything about it?

Smartpong can't do no spin balls. 
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Why do you need a robot to perform services? it is not a human!
There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
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Playing with SPs on my FH, a big part of my game is attacking short under-spin serves with a flick, or a quick heavy push. I like to be able to step in and attack the serve if my opponent serves it short. So it would be nice if whichever robot I buy could simulate serves a little by producing a short under-spin. It doesn't have to be perfect, but when you get around the $1600 - $2000 price tag for a robot, I just wondered which robot would do a better job of this. It sounds like they all have their good and bad points.
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When there is a demand, I will have a supplier.
However, I you can't find what you need, there is still another solution!

I used to need to practice returning short back-spin serves. It was so simple, I adjust the robot play very slow back-spin, then the ball will land on its side first. Anw, it doesn't look like a good serve. I recommend you come to a club, ask a beginner who practicing services while you doing returns. For 10 hours, you need to pay about 100-200USD. But is so effective!
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The only downside to the amicus robot... is that it's meant to be portable and attach to tables (I set mine on a chair/box), but the machine doesn't appear overly durable! Flimsy connections and whatnot. I had to return my first one due to a faulty pin. The paddle palace robot is much sturdier, and is also substantially heavier. It rolls around on wheels and isn't meant to be overly portable like the butterfly. 
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I liked my Amicus, but it was very fragile.  Lots of problems that made it a pain to own.  Gave it away and got a Newgy.  I really like the customer service of Newgy.  They are very helpful.
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Yeah Newgy is very durable. I have an old one, but want to upgrade. I don't like the part about the Amicus being fragile and having to set it up every time by attaching to the table. I like the idea of being able to roll the paddle palace robot up to the table. The Oukei TW-2700 S9 also is on wheels and I think I'm leaning either towards the Paddle palace or the 2700 model. The SmartPong looks intriguing, but I'm thinking if the head rotates to change the spin that's just something else that can go wrong. I like that the 2700 S9 has 2 heads. Just hate to spend $1600 for a robot and not like it.
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Originally posted by sandiway sandiway wrote:

Don't think there is a robot on the market that can serve a normal (feeling) 2nd bounce at endline with the first bounce mid table on the server's side.

If I back the robot away from the table, it's sorta almost possible...

An easier alternative (that also saves the table from wear and tear) is to shoot the first bounce at a shallow ramp (inclined away from the robot) that will reduce the bounce angle of the ball.  If you pick a board that  has a smooth finish (like some of that whiteboard melamine) you can preserve a lot of the spin from the robot.  Alternatively, you can use a higher friction surface to scrub spin and speed off of the ball.

This may not duplicate  the endline to endline serve precisely, but it does make it closer and you can leave the robot in its normal location.
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Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:

An easier alternative (that also saves the table from wear and tear) is to shoot the first bounce at a shallow ramp (inclined away from the robot) that will reduce the bounce angle of the ball.  If you pick a board that  has a smooth finish (like some of that whiteboard melamine) you can preserve a lot of the spin from the robot.  Alternatively, you can use a higher friction surface to scrub spin and speed off of the ball.

This may not duplicate  the endline to endline serve precisely, but it does make it closer and you can leave the robot in its normal location.

That's a pretty interesting tip I could try. Place something on the table with just a little bit of friction to scrub the spin off the ball so I can practice vs no-spin. That's my biggest complaint with my newgy. Now I once tried bouncing the ball on a LP rubber and that didn't work at all so I gave up on the idea. I should try some hard surface that somehow snags the ball just a pinch.
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Most robots can do many set piece serves
I usually point the head down , then add the sidespin to keep the ball from going forward as much
set backspin to 2 and less than that for top spin, then try, then ill make adjustments from there by adding backspin or changing the head angle
the thing is the robot sends backspin slightly upwards so just start out small
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Originally posted by suds79 suds79 wrote:

Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:

An easier alternative (that also saves the table from wear and tear) is to shoot the first bounce at a shallow ramp (inclined away from the robot) that will reduce the bounce angle of the ball.  If you pick a board that  has a smooth finish (like some of that whiteboard melamine) you can preserve a lot of the spin from the robot.  Alternatively, you can use a higher friction surface to scrub spin and speed off of the ball.

This may not duplicate  the endline to endline serve precisely, but it does make it closer and you can leave the robot in its normal location.

That's a pretty interesting tip I could try. Place something on the table with just a little bit of friction to scrub the spin off the ball so I can practice vs no-spin. That's my biggest complaint with my newgy. Now I once tried bouncing the ball on a LP rubber and that didn't work at all so I gave up on the idea. I should try some hard surface that somehow snags the ball just a pinch.

Also make sure to try placing the board at at a downward angle away from the robot.  That will cause the ball to bounce at a lower rebound angle that more closely approximates many real world serves. 
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Originally posted by wturber wturber wrote:

Originally posted by sandiway sandiway wrote:

Don't think there is a robot on the market that can serve a normal (feeling) 2nd bounce at endline with the first bounce mid table on the server's side.

If I back the robot away from the table, it's sorta almost possible...

An easier alternative (that also saves the table from wear and tear) is to shoot the first bounce at a shallow ramp (inclined away from the robot) that will reduce the bounce angle of the ball. ...
A picture please? Even better, an animated gif or brief video...
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Hey has anyone tried the H2W pro from Paddle Palace. It sells for $1800 but it looks really great.
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Originally posted by AcudaDave AcudaDave wrote:

Hey has anyone tried the H2W pro from Paddle Palace. It sells for $1800 but it looks really great.

That is the one I have.

Yes. The biggest plus is ease of use. The touchscreen interface is fantastic.

Good quality balls.

Negatives: no serves, can't get a heavy, short underspin ball, no random mode.

The positives largely outweigh the negatives.

It is a rebranded Y&T 989H (with std US voltage input).

Paddle palace service is great - They were quick to ship me parts the couple of times I needed them to.


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