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Alwin
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Posted: 10/06/2016 at 9:05am |
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Hey everyone,
Essentially I'm looking at purchasing a CPen blade for my mum as a testing/backup/potential primary setup. I play shakehand so I'm not familiar with CPen blades! I'm really hoping someone out there knows a bit about penhold blades and can help - I've tried to add as much detail as I can about playing style and preferences below:
Currently I'm considering the DHS PG7 as I'm using the PG12 (shakehand) which has given me a good impression about the Power G series. Budget would be around 80AUD / 60USD. Any help would be greatly appreciated thanks!!
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Alwin
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Additional pictures about the DHS blade size she is used to.
(Note: This is an old picture, she certainly doesn't play with this rubber any more!! )
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suds79
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have a clipper, which is my finest blade and I use for short pip play.
However I also have a DHS PG7 and everything you've heard about that blade is pretty accurate. Seems similar to me (if I remember right, same wood composition). Except if I'm playing inverted, I tend to prefer the PG7 over the clipper. PG7 is pretty fast for me. So just a heads up. Oh yeah. The handle is thicker on the PG7 than on my stiga clipper. I like a thin handle on my cpen blades. So outside of sanding the wings, something that must be done on all cpen blades, I also recommend getting the Drimmel out and sanding a groove where your top hand rests on the handle and sanding that thinner. Mine is kinda concave shape now. Much, much better. You can't tell from the picture but I'm talking about the part of the handle to the right of my thumb. This red side is actually my backhand side. So that part of my handle, to the right of my thumb, wrests on my hand when i hold it normally. That's the part i sanded down to be much thinner. Hope that's clear. You can get a PG7 from ebay member China-Friend for like 23 or so dollars. That's an insane deal for the quality of that blade. Here in the states, that same blade sells for $45. here you go: Just be sure to put in the notes that you want the penhold version. Edited by suds79 - 10/06/2016 at 10:23am |
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ronakvyas86
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I've never played with DHS cpens but I know they have larger headsize, something like 163x152mm. I'm currently playing with Yasaka Goiabao 5 cpen and it's really really good blade. The price is also very low, I got mine for Rs. 3800 in india which is around 40 USD. You can get it even cheaper price from some websites. The headsize is 163x149mm. For today's plastic balls and the playing style that you mentioned, it seems to fit well. Very solid blade and finishing is also very good
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jk92
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I have a DHS PG7 penhold and I find the head-size too large. As well, I like a wider handle, but not longer.
As a result the balance of this blade doesn't quite seem right. I think if you leave a larger penhold gap on the rubbers it might let you grip in a more optimal spot, but not sure what your mom prefers.
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Ladon1997
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Try Anfro Cp in their latest developed blade. The head is modified to provide exceptional balance.
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Alwin
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Thanks for all the replies so far!
suds79, what kind of shape is the handle? Is it really square or more oval? How much did you needed to take off with a dremel? As for the balance, the head size does sound a bit bigger... thanks for the info ronakvyas86, thanks for the nice find! At one point I did consider a stiga rosewood but the price is too off putting (1 blade = 1.5 x my current setup) and I haven't heard many good things about cheaper clones. Would you recommend it over their more "classic" blades like YEO or YES? Ladon1997, do you mind posing a link? I'm guessing you meant Andro Cp but I couldn't find much on google!
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Alwin
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Also, what do people think about composites for cpen? I remember hearing somewhere that cpen players enjoy all wood blades but I've also read the butterfly taksim is popular and that is ALC (similar to viscaria which my friends highly recommend for chinese rubbers).
I was thinking of maybe a cpen version of the Yinhe V14? Or do composite Cpens suit a different type of playing style? Thanks again
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The soul of rock
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Certainly composite Cpens works as well as shakehand blades. But moving from a classic allwood blade to a modern and fast composite can take some time. I use the Yinhe V16 as the primary Cpen blade and I can tell the Yinhe V12-V16 are more than awesome for their prices. I would recommend to give the YEO a try, though.
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ronakvyas86
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@Alwin: I would certainly not recommend YEO for the playing style you mentioned, which is more hitting and not looping. The old blade that was used is a DHS pf03 which is also used by he zhi wen for short pips hitting. I own a YEO and trust me it's not for hitting. I even paired it with short pips and it's terrible, no power and the flex makes it completely unsuitable for hitting amd driving. It is a loopers blade who like to play with a lot of topspin. My recommendation will be stiga clipper, avalox p700 or yasaka goiabao 5. I had a few hits with clipper and p700 and own a goiabao 5. Goiabao 5 is great for hitting, driving and works well with short pips. I would rate it better than clippet. It will suit one sided cpen techniques. |
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bbkon
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Yeo works with moristo and intensity nct with hexer pips i ve been wondering about finding a stiff blade slightly slower than clipper or finding the best clipper clone |
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bbkon
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An excellent blade for pips is stiga carbo 7.6 |
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ronakvyas86
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Never tried moristo on YEO but I've tried hexer pips max in vertical alignment and 802-40 max in mystery iii sponge. No matter what I did, these pips don't get along with my YEO. Avalox p700 is slightly slower than clipper. Yasaka max wood is a thinner clipper clone, I'm guessing it'll be slower too |
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ronakvyas86
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Yes, definitely. Goiabao is far better than YEO. I've never used YES Here is the link of another post where I tried to make a comparison between YEO and goiabao 5 http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=76613&PN=1#952740 |
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OldschoolPenholder
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Hello:
I'm not an equipment junkie. I'm an oldschool penholder, that is, i only use one side. I have been playing with an Avalox P700 off and on for a year, as it was my backup blade. My 30 yrs+ favorite blade's handle broke 4 months ago, an old Double Happiness "08" (7-ply). So my Avalox became my main blade. I primarily play a close-to-the-table smashing/punching game with inconsistent loops in matchplay. I feel the Avalox is good for my style. The only aspect I don't like about the P700 is the thick handle. Alwin mentions his mother is used to the old Double Happiness handle thickness and the P700 is way too thick in comparison IMO. So she may not like the P700. For the record, since this past Sunday, courtesy of BH-Man, I've been playing with a Nexy Amazon C-Pen. I'm loving it so far! With a MX-P rubber slapped on, it feels very similar to my old DHS 08. HTH. ~osph |
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Hello Alwin, Although I'm not too sure on the prices exactly. You can try the Butterfly Shamada CS or the Chinese Real. These are somewhat thicker than the penhold blades nowadays. As most are built for RPB. As ladies tend to have shorter fingers, and are more sensitive to weight. She can try the TSP Black Balsa 7.0. Fast, good and light. However the handle is a little to the thicker side. But the light-weight might be able to compensate for that. Blade head size is also smaller. Another mentioned is Yasaka blades. Where the penhold handles are somewhat slimmer. However if she's tried the Hurricane Hao and feel that it is too uncomfortable. Noted that she plays traditional penhold. I do not think there will be much difference in feeling of the handle. (Unless RPB) In my opinion, please note that this is generally feel of handle size thickness (Thicker to Slimmer). Stiga similar to Avalox, DHS(Rounded and Slim) similar to Yasaka (Flatter). Hope this can help you in some way. Oh.. and @Ron. I've switched back to Jpen officially. :) |
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Ladon1997
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Butterfly sells full range of their current blade both Shakehand and Chinese penholder in China Market. You can acquire ZJ and TM in CP there
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bbkon
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Moristo plays very flat on a yeo but maybe it was an old yeo better than recent yeo .now hexer wont be as useful its too bouncy |
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Alwin
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Thanks for all the replies!
I'm definitely considering the Yasaka Goiabao 5 if I can find it in Cpen in Aus (hoping to get it before her birthday next month). Otherwise, I'll have a look at a stiga clipper (which version? CR? WRB?), P700 and PG7 since I know I can get them in Cpen in Aus. Thanks again!
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Ladon1997
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Stiga Intensity Carbo NCT is good
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ChichoFicho
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Clipper CR +Hammond FA Speed or Hammond FA is probably the best combination for traditional penhold style.
Moristo SP works well on medium hard carbon blades like Timo Boll Spirit CS. But Hammond FA is much better.
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bbkon
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I tried fa speed and was very strange.is fa version different? |
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During the first few hours FA speed feels softer and slower but then after about 10 hours the sponge becomes harder and faster. FA is much slower but easier to use and less tricky. I would say FA Speed is suitable for very advanced players and FA is good at ~1900-2200 level.
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Ladon1997
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Can you find Xiom Katana Platinum - PLATIUM ??? version . The rarest CP blade to find .
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One ply cpen is not good. Too thick.
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shaolinTT
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Butterfly Chinese Real may work well for her too.
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Ladon1997
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Small head blade designed in 38mm era, outdated
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ChichoFicho
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Chinese Real is still great. Much better than those expensive stiga and yasaka new cpens.
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ronakvyas86
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You are right about stiga, but I don't think yasaka cpens are more expensive than butterfly's chinese real. Chinese real for USD 74.99 http://shop.butterflyonline.com/chinese-real-7379 and, Yasaka's most expensive blade for USD 54.83 (Max Carbon on TT11) http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/yasaka-ma-lin-max-carbon-pen |
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Ladon1997
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Agree. Yaska is the best valued CP blade made in Sweden, not made in China. |
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