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Adding a bit more after third session of testing. Playing with Rubicon setup when you are tired is not too much fun. There is no penetration to your strong shots, the ball sometimes doesn't make it over the net... but it has nothing to do with Rubicon, I was just not in a very good shape. Understanding that, I should have taken one of my faster blades, like BBC Tachyon.

Basically, when you are a veteran and your style does not have a lot of power, then playing with slower setup against a player who doesn't provide high level of his own power, is not going to be great. Rubicon setup thrives on counter game, on placement, on blocks and slower loops - but if the balls are coming to you already slow enough, and if the other guy is playing the waiting game, then perhaps this style will not work against him.

Once again - not a knock against Rubicon itself, just a lament about being out of shape and having to play a defender or counterblocker at that moment.
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It is a valid knock on Rubicon, IMO.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

It is a valid knock on Rubicon, IMO.


Yeah, but it is applicable in the same degree then to any ALL+ blade... more or less. Exceptions are quite rare.
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I think its pretty clear an all + blade yes. Not for a fast attacker.
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First of all, I want to thank Nexy for the opportunity to evaluate the Karis M/M+ rubbers and the Rubicon blade and Arg0 for organizing this forum test – it is highly appreciated!

Ok, let me jump straight to it as there is a lot to cover.

 

Background - I am a 39 yr old USATT 2000+ player allround/spin-offensive player using short pips in the BH. At the time I tested the equipment, I was recovering from hip surgeries 3 months prior. While still lacking a little bit in leg power and mobility, I would estimate that I was back at ~90% of my usual level.

 

Testing procedure - I evaluated the following five set-ups in this order:

1) Nexy Rubicon WST, Tibhar Evolution MX-P (black, 2.1-2.2 mm), TSP Spectol (red, 1.8 mm)

2) Andro Temper Tech Off+ ST, Nexy Karis M+ (black, 2.2 mm), Spinlord Waran (red, 1.8 mm)

3) Andro Temper Tech Off+ ST, Nexy Karis M (black, 2.2 mm), Spinlord Waran (red, 1.8 mm)

4) Nexy Rubicon WST, Nexy Karis M (black, 2.2 mm), Spinlord Waran (red, 1.8 mm)

5) Nexy Rubicon WST, Nexy Karis M+ (black, 2.2 mm), Spinlord Waran (red, 1.8 mm)

 

I used brand-new and unboosted Nexy Karis M/M+ rubbers in the tests. The non-Nexy rubbers were also unboosted but had some mileage on them: MX-P (<10 h), Waran (~30 h), and Spectol (unknown), but all playing like new. I sealed the Rubicon with a thin layer of Joola’s varnish prior to use. The Andro Temper Tech OFF+ is a little-known gem of an all-wood blade, which, unfortunately, seems to be going out of production. It is a fast and fairly stiff blade with limba outer plies and unspecified tempered inner plies, that produces a surprising amount of feel and control.

The rubbers were affixed to the blades using Revolution 3 normal viscosity glue (3 layers for the new Karis rubbers). The set-ups were tested over at least two sessions, using 3-star YinHe 40+ seamless plastic balls. After ~15 min of warmup, I played practice matches against my usual training partners.

 

NEXY RUBICON

Summarizing, citing and/or paraphrasing Rubicon’s marketing material which is found here (http://nexy.com/tabletennis/en/blade/115-rubicon.html) and includes high-quality images of the blade: The outer ply of the Rubicon has vertical lines similar to hinoki plies and like the latter seems to hold on to the ball a bit longer. Rubicon has a hard, thin surface whereas most hinoki blades have a soft, thick surface. Rubicon produces good spin because it offers an embracing feeling, although the feeling is less pronounced than with limba surfaces. Rubicon has been designed to produce a high ball arc resulting in more safety over the net than other blades. Despite being factory-sealed, Rubicon’s surface wood cannot withstand very strong glue. Care should be taken during rubber removal.

Technical data: Head Size 155 x 148 mm, thickness 5.9 (+/-0.1)mm, 7-ply all-wood. Unfortunately, Nexy does not describe the composition of the individual plies.

Unboxing impressions


The Rubicon comes in Nexy’s signature stylish black cardboard box. The balance and grip (wide straight - WST) are PHENOMENAL. Perfect symbiosis between hand and blade providing a deep embrace. The wings are sanded just right (no blisters). The balance is tilted towards the head. The blade is beautiful in a rustic ‘woody’ type of way. However, the top ply looks like it is partly devoured by termites or bark beetles in the vertical direction. As indicated by Nexy, this is a recipe for splintering, which prompted me to seal it. My Rubicon weighed 81 g. Bouncing a ball on the blade produces a higher pitch than my Adidas Challenge Force (a Korbel clone) but a lower pitch than the Andro CS7 Tour (a Clipper clone), the NexyZealot, or any of the composite blades that I own (ITC Premier XF/XR; Butterfly Apolonia).

Playing impressions with set-up #1 (Nexy Rubicon WST, Tibhar Evolution MX-P, TSP Spectol): I went into this test with minimal expectations. Chatter on our forum seemed to suggest that the Rubicon is a slow blade. I was, therefore, hugely surprised after hitting the first couple of FH’s. The feeling with MX-P is absolutely fantastic. The contact is crisper than with the Korbel clone, which works well for FH/BH drives. The feeling and control on loops is stunning – above average dwell time allowing for production of high spin levels and a medium-high throw that provides plenty of safety over the net, all while having plenty of power for a mid-distance game style. The blade has an ambivalence to it: at slow racket speeds it feels like a fast ALL+ or OFF- blade allowing for excellent spin production and control on touch shots and serves. With faster racket speeds it is as if an extra gear is engaged, squarely propelling it into OFF range. As correctly stated by the marketing information, the Rubicon offers an embracing feeling with an extra snap. My Spectol short pips felt reasonably crisp in the BH, allowing for effective blocking, although these pips tend to work even better on harder blades. FH flat hits with the Rubicon are probably the weakest aspect of this blade – they are perfectly doable and generate sufficient speed to win points, but you don’t get the same vulgar testosterone-filled feeling like with other blades.

For playing impressions with set-ups # 4 and 5, see the Karis M/M+ reviews below.

Conclusion: The Nexy Rubicon is a wonderful blade that in my opinion can be used across all levels, from beginners to professionals, from young to seasoned (especially due to the low weight). Only extreme hard-hitters might be disappointed with this blade. In my opinion, this blade is best paired with Euro/Jap rubbers up to ~48 degrees hardness – harder rubbers, especially tacky Chinese rubbers, will benefit from stiffer and faster blades such as Nexy’s Zealot. One major point of criticism: The price tag. In my world, no blade is worth $120 regardless of the craftsmanship. There is a plethora of excellent blades available below $75, making it hard to justify to shell out the MRSP of $120. Hopefully, Nexy will lower the MRSP of the Rubicon, because this is a blade that deserves wide-spread adoption.   

 

NEXY KARIS M/M+

Condensing and paraphrasing Nexy’s marketing for the Karis M/M+ rubbers: With the introduction of the poly ball, rubbers need to be more powerful. Many manufacturers have focused on combining a hard top sheet with a hard sponge. These rubbers, however, are less forgiving of improper technique and footwork. Softer topsheets have been combined with hard sponges to offer more feel. However, players who are accustomed to powerful topspin shots, require the hard top sheet + hard sponge composition. With the advent of the Karis rubbers, Nexy appears to have identified a hard/hard formula that yields very predictable, powerful, yet more forgiving rubbers.

Unboxing impressions:



The rubbers come in black (M) and red (M+) glossy cardboard packaging that - I am guessing - is depicting the grainy surface of the topsheets. Both of the Karis rubbers have a unique rubbery smell that made me reminisce the 1980’s and 1990’s – that’s how I remember rubbers were smelling back then. Both Karis rubbers dome significantly as you can see in the unboxing videos. The topsheets, which are identical in the two rubbers, are matte, semi-translucent, very grippy, but without any hint of tack. The surface is slightly granular, although less so than, e.g., the Stiga Airoc Astro rubbers. The topsheets have ~13 pips per 5 cm in the horizontal direction and ~22 pips per 5 cm in the vertical direction. Both Karis rubbers have blue sponges with small-to-medium sized pores.

The uncut sheets weigh 64 g (M+, 2.2 mm black, 170 mm x 168 mm) and 62 g (M, 2.2 mm black, 170 mm x 168 mm). Karis M+ is medium-heavy, weighing 47 grams when cut to a 157x150 mm blade. It is, accordingly, lighter than other hard-sponged rubbers such as Hurricane 8 (53-57 g), Tibhar Evolution MX-S (52 g), Xiom Omega V Asia (51 g), Victas V>15 extra (50 g), or Hurricane 3 Neo (47-50 g). The Karis M weighs 45 grams when cut to a 157x150 mm test blade, which puts it among some of the lightest rubbers that I have tested, e.g., Tibhar Evolution FX-P (46 g), Hurricane 3 (43 g) and Nittaku Fastarc S-1 (43 g).

Nexy Karis M+

Playing impressions with set-up #2 (Andro Temper Tech OFF+, Nexy Karis M+, SpinLord Waran): The first couple of FH drives quickly reveal that this is an interesting and somewhat unique rubber. The feeling upon contacting the ball is closer to a traditional Chinese rubber than hard ESN rubbers, i.e., it is a disengaged, numb feel. The Karis M+ is slower than other hard-sponged rubbers such as Tibhar Evolution MX-S, Xiom Omega V Asia, or Andro Rasant Powergrip, but faster than prototypical Chinese rubbers. Most importantly, it is, indeed, more forgiving of less-than-perfect footwork and positioning than Hurricane 3 Neo. It is a very linear rubber. FH drives are solid. Slow FH loops can be loaded with spin and produce a noticeable kick off the bounce. The Karis M+ is grippy and opening loops against heavy backspin are effortless despite the rather low throw angle. Blocking is solid and easier to execute than with traditional Chinese rubbers due to the absence of tack. For the same reason, the Karis M+ is also far less spin-sensitive, which facilitates flat hitting and aggressive serve return. However, the latter require good timing as the Karis M+ lacks the tackiness to ‘guide’ the ball over the net when executing flips. Serving with the Karis M+ is excellent – a ton of spin can be imparted on the ball – at least as much as with the MX-S, but less than with H3 Neo. Touch shots can be played with excellent control, low over the net with a good amount of spin.

 

Playing impressions with set-up 5 (Nexy Rubicon WST, Nexy Karis M+, SpinLord Waran): Combining the Karis M+ with the Rubicon blade yields a set-up that is rather slow and which doesn’t offer a good feel on aggressive shots. The ball contact feels very disengaged and while I could play FH drives and opening FH loops fairly competently, the set-up lacked power - forcing me to use a much more open bat angle and larger swings, especially on smashes. Quite simply, this set-up resulted in a less favorable touch. I had major difficulties getting the contact point and bat angle right when playing against my regular practice partner’s heavy backspin balls (he plays with long pips on the BH using a push-blocking style).

 

Conclusion: The Karis M+ is a hybrid between hard ESN rubbers and Chinese rubbers, being closer to the latter with respect to feel, and closer to the former with the respect to speed and spin production. It is a very linear rubber that does everything reasonably well. No hidden surprises. Nonetheless - I don’t love it. I dislike the disengaged numb feel too much. I don’t enjoy playing with it as much as I do with other rubbers. All-in-all, the Karis M+ is a great rubber, and it could suit a broad range of players all the way to advanced players. Unless paired with a fast and stiff blade, I think high-level players will find the M+ to be too slow to support a modern aggressive game style.

 

Nexy Karis M

Playing impressions with set-up #3 (Andro Temper Tech OFF+, Nexy Karis M, SpinLord Waran): Going into the test, I was expecting the Karis M to be a very similar, perhaps slightly slower version of the Karis M+. This expectation was immediately shattered within the first couple of FH drives. It is a completely different rubber. The Karis M feels much more like a prototypical ~45 degree ESN rubber – it even produces a pronounced click when playing drives, loops and flat hits. In fact, the Karis M/Temper Tech OFF+ setup feels very similar to the Donic Acuda Blue P1 / Nexy Zealot that I reviewed 1-2 years ago on MyTT. The feeling on drives and, in particular, loops is very crisp and almost speed-glue like. The fast blade compensated for the lower inherent speed of the Karis M and allowed FH loops against heavy backspin to clear the net with sufficient safety. Spin generation on slow loops is good, but it does feel as if spin production reaches a lower plateau on faster loop-drives relative to the Karis M+. The control while looping with this rubber is excellent, allowing for the execution of highly angled shots. All-in-all a very reliable rubber, and although a catapult is felt, it is appropriately balanced. Flat hits are a pleasure, in part, because the characteristics of the underlying blade are felt through the soft sponge. I was able to make numerous “reflex slap-shots” out of position that hit the target with this setup. Blocking with the Karis M is solid. Touch shots were a little harder to keep short and low than with the M+, but that is probably only a question of getting used to it. Serves seemed slightly less spinny than with the M+, but respectable amounts of spin were still produced. This is a great rubber for a clean controlled-offensive game style, but it might lack a couple of percent in spin production relative to harder sponged rubbers especially at high racket speeds.

 

Playing impressions with set-up #4 (Nexy Rubicon WST, Nexy Karis M, SpinLord Waran): Most of the impressions that I formed about the Karis M rubber while playing with set-up #3 also apply to this set-up. Very crisp feeling on drives, loops and smashes. Respectable spin levels on opening loops and serves. The Rubicon/M combination felt surprisingly fast on loop drives and was only slightly slower than the Temper Tech/M combination on these shots. The biggest difference caused by the blade change was on slow touch shots and serve returns, where the Rubicon’s low gear became obvious – initially, I had a tendency to put these shots into the net and had to utilize a more active stroke.

 

Conclusion: The Karis M is an easy-to-play and fun rubber and excellent addition to ~45 degree ESN range. It is forgiving, provides a dynamic and speed-glue like feeling, all while producing respectable spin levels and providing good levels of control for all types of players. It paired well with both test blades, which suggests that the choice of blade will be less critical than for the M+.

 

 

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Sorry to post my review a bit late, I have avoided reading other reviews on this thread to not get biased.

Look: The handle has a ruby(probably artificial) in it, i have never seen something like this before, it does look very rich. However the wood on the face is a bit chewed up, and i was really scared to pull out the rubber from it after i was done.

Grip: I really liked the WST rounded grip, i believe its not that wide if you think of it in a non-asian person's hand.

Rubbers used: T05 and MX-P

Counters and blocking: The blade is a solid OFF- in speed and it really shows that when you are countering, lots of control and a medium speed, very linear, however my friend felt there was some catapult when he hit with it.

Looping against block: Easy access to spin and looping against a block was pretty easy.

Looping against topspin: Again easy to loop backspin, due to good flex in the blade, i had a lot of high-arcing loops, coupled with tenergy i felt like i could loop back any backspin, though my only gripe was there was not enough speed to put away high pushes and my opponents blocked quite a few loop drives than they usually do.

Serving and pushing: The blade performs really well while serving and receiving, due to good feedback coming through the blade, you always know what you did right or where you messed up, i felt extremely confident receiving serves. Same goes for pushes, i was able to push with a lot of control and really bite the ball to produce nasty spin.

Conclusion: I felt my tenergy to be too soft on this blade, but the mx-p feels perfect with it. Also its an OFF- blade, so this is a great blade for someone that is learning how to play and is forming their strokes. Only thing was that i could not put away balls, and a lot of my drives got blocked, more than usual and i had to really stay longer in rallies to win points.




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This is a late review but I wanted to give it a fair trial and workout so I have been playing with it for the last couple of months.  First I am a mediocre player and I try to play a two wing loop attacking game.  I choose the flared handle and used Mxp max on forehand and Blitz max on backhand.  The blade is a nice quality and handle was ok for large hands.  I used a mixture of tearmender and revolution no 3 glue which is holding the rubbers nicely.  The ruby like jewel was a little irritating initially but I don't really notice it now.  Most of the reviews have covered this blade pretty well so I will just include the highlights for me.  I found the blade to have exceptional control for on the table play with decent speed.  As stated it is not a fast blade.  I do like this blade for my backhand in gameplay as I tend to overhit and rush my shots from this side and the blade tends to help compensate for my bad form.  I tend to want a little more speed during drills when I play a little more relaxed, but as I said it tends to help me in match play.  On the forehand side where I am a little more dominant (compared to my backhand) I tend to feel the lack of speed, most specifically at mid distance play.  I find I must use a lot more physical effort to generate the speed and power I am used to with other blades I am familiar with.  Over the table play on the forehand side is just fine and the control features of the blade really shine.  Push is nice with this blade and slow loops are really effective. I have enjoyed playing with this blade and like with all equipment it can not shine in every category.  I want to thank arg0 and Nexy for providing me with the opportunity to try this new blade, and my recommendation is if you are an all round player this could be a great blade for you or if you are like myself and tend to overpower and overhit your shots in matches, this could also assist you. 

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Want to add some more. I have been recuperating after... after something... but now I have returned to playing with Rubicon for the last two weeks (about 3-4 full training and league sessions).

I should confirm all the good words I have said about Rubicon previously. Consistency and reliability of shots is very very good, but you gotta be playing with some energy of your own. But when you do, it plays extremely well.

Currently I use Outlaw Soft on the forehand and Palio Aeolus on the backhand. If I could use something slightly faster with good grip on the FH (like Tenergy 80-FX) I would have but then my setup would have weighed about 5 g more and I try to keep it around 170 g. That is why I have ordered my Rubicon at 79-80 g (FL).

I will probably still try and see what happens. I am afraid though that changing the balance of the blade might cancel the consistency or require from me a lot of readjustment. We will see.

By the way, if anyone has a Rubicon FL for sale please let me know. A clubmate of mine tried my setup and liked it, so he asked me if I would sell. I told him I want to keep mine, but perhaps some forummer is willing to sell their Rubicon FL.
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I think rocketman222 is selling one. 

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Thanks for the plug NL, Jim I sent you a PM.
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Originally posted by rocketman222 rocketman222 wrote:

Thanks for the plug NL, Jim I sent you a PM.


He is really looking only for an FL version, I think.
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Seeing the Nexy Arche blade giveaway, I was trying to recall what I wrote for the Nexy Rubicon review as one of the 'lucky' testers and realized I forgot to post one!

I had some circumstances where I was living in an area last year that didn't have any TT clubs within an hour's drive so I gave it to my 2200 friend for a review. 

I forgot to post his review on here (which I just now realized) and have forgotten the exact details of what he said. What I do remember was that he was impressed with the feel of the blade and the arch of his shots. Overall, he liked it but not enough to use as his main blade. I didn't ask him why but it may have been due to the price.

I got the blade back from my friend around March-ish and really got to use it around May 2017. I played semi-frequently over the summer break as my main blade. So here are my thoughts: It definitely gives an all-wood type blade feel. The short game is very controlled. When I was first playing with the blade, I had trouble with forehand counterhits. To this point, I'm not sure why nor what I changed to fix this but this stuck in my mind. For looping, I found really good touch in controlling the type of loop from spin to drive (my favorite part of the blade). Speed-wise, it is slower than the PG7 and Clipper blade. 

Overall, I found the combination of control and feel as the reason I currently use this as my current blade. A coach suggested I try out using an ALC blade. Much of my club uses some sort of ALC blade, so after using the Yinhe Pro Feeling for a month (and briefly trying out TBS, viscaria, TB-ALC), I decided to go back to using Rubicon as my main blade before an upcoming February tournament. 

Edit: For reference, my rating is 1580. A video of me using the Nexy Rubicon blade in tournament play: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=81116&KW=chicobo&title=my-videos-from-november


Edited by Chicobo - 01/14/2018 at 11:42pm
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