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GMan4911
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Please cite the actual rules that say that playing characteristics can't be changed. All I see are physical characteristics. |
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Gman, the question is how can playing characteristics of a rubber change without a change in its physical characteristics? Of course it could be something that ITTF doesn't measure. But wouldn't that be just as bad as if someone boosts their rubber and ITTF is clearly all upset about that.
So here is the clause I am fixated on. "The ITTF authorisation applies to a racket covering as originally submitted and tested; its subsequent alteration, by a supplier, a player or anyone else, is not permitted". In my opinion the key thing is the words "subsequent alteration". If a company submits one rubber for testing, and then somehow what they are selling or supplying to the CNT is somehow different -- altered -- how is that ok? ITTF clearly thinks it is NOT ok if you YOU do the altering by boosting it. So why is it ok for DHS to sell markedly different versions from what they submitted for testing? (And are they actually doing that?) |
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The bolded part is my point. If ITTF doesn't test something, changing that something doesn't make it illegal. For example, sponge density is not tested, only thickness. So DHS is free to make changes to and sell different density versions of their sponge without it being illegal as long as the dimensions are the same as what was submitted for testing. Tackiness & grippiness are also not tested so those can also be changed without making the rubber illegal. The friction test only applies to pips out rubbers.
The key word is 'tested'. It's like doping. If you use a performance enhancing drug that is not on the banned list are you really breaking the rules? The spirit maybe... |
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Good points. But then if boosting does not increase the thickness of the rubber beyond the limit, it should be ok?
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Like doping, if boosting is done for the purpose of gaining an advantage over an opponent, it should be illegal. Edited by GMan4911 - 05/01/2017 at 4:48pm |
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But then if suppliers are changing the rubber in some way, even if it is now something ITTF actually tests for, should not that be illegal too? Because then it is not what was "as originally submitted", whether the change led to something they tested or not.
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I assume you meant "not" instead of "now".
You forgot the "and tested" bit.
If a characteristic that was not being tested was changed, making it different from what was originally submitted, how do you prove it? There's no documented proof that that characteristic has changed. |
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Correct. But if they change the composition and properties of the product after it was submitted it is still in the same moral gray zone as boosting, which they can't detect by testing either.
Anyway, I think we have each made our points and the circle we are going around has no ending. My position is that what applies to players (no boosting even if they can't accurately test for it) should apply to companies and also national teams largely supplied by certain companies (once they submit a product, don't change it and make many versions of it with the same ITTF code, even if ITTF doesn't test for the properties you are changing). |
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I just want to try a little thought experiment....
substituting "boosting" for "using long pips" we get: "Like doping, if "using long pips" is done for the purpose of gaining an advantage over an opponent, it should be illegal." Boosting does not guarantee a win at all. And you would need to prove that it actually gives an advantage to those who boost. I did experiment and I can say that it does not give much of an advantage if at all. So I dont bother anymore, perhaps only to extend the life of the rubber for a few weeks (they are expensive rubbers after all, I want to get the most out of them). Boosting is does not imbue a rubber with magical powers ala Harry Potter movies. and most of us are not participating on big official tournaments. FdT |
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