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    Posted: 11/29/2018 at 10:46pm
For all the faults of the plastic balls (irregular bounce, poor manufacturing quality, poor quality control, different bounce heights and trajectories depending on brand/construction) they actually have their strengths.

The plastic ball lacks spin and oddly, it makes many fast blades viable for more players.

Consider this, pre-2010, with a celluloid 40mm, ALC blades like the Viscaria and even the TBS or fast 7 plies like the Clipper or Persson were simply too fast for the majority of club players. 

They were too fast because opponents could use heavy spin (like a spinny opening loop, or even a strong push) to generate unforced errors from the user. Lower level club players could be easily exploited for having chosen the wrong blade. Basically, OFF and OFF+ blades cost players points, games and matches.

Fast forward 8 years, and even with advances in rubber, the spin of the plastic balls (in the trajectory, after the bounce) is drastically less than celluloid. So much so that quick attacks (like the banana flick and FH flip) are more valuable. 

In the modern game, it would seem that players win with quickness and placement, not with spin and power.
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I hate plastic balls because they are bad for choppers.
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If they had made the plastic ball smaller (say 38-39mm) instead of the dreaded 40+ the plastic ball could have been a good ball.
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Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

For all the faults of the plastic balls (irregular bounce, poor manufacturing quality, poor quality control, different bounce heights and trajectories depending on brand/construction) they actually have their strengths.

The plastic ball lacks spin and oddly, it makes many fast blades viable for more players.

Consider this, pre-2010, with a celluloid 40mm, ALC blades like the Viscaria and even the TBS or fast 7 plies like the Clipper or Persson were simply too fast for the majority of club players. 

They were too fast because opponents could use heavy spin (like a spinny opening loop, or even a strong push) to generate unforced errors from the user. Lower level club players could be easily exploited for having chosen the wrong blade. Basically, OFF and OFF+ blades cost players points, games and matches.

Fast forward 8 years, and even with advances in rubber, the spin of the plastic balls (in the trajectory, after the bounce) is drastically less than celluloid. So much so that quick attacks (like the banana flick and FH flip) are more valuable. 

In the modern game, it would seem that players win with quickness and placement, not with spin and power.





Ah well, at least the ITTF youtube channel's upload content is amazing... Love those high frame rate 8bit powerpoint presentations.
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Originally posted by henningf henningf wrote:

If they had made the plastic ball smaller (say 38-39mm) instead of the dreaded 40+ the plastic ball could have been a good ball.

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Originally posted by purpletiesto purpletiesto wrote:

Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

For all the faults of the plastic balls (irregular bounce, poor manufacturing quality, poor quality control, different bounce heights and trajectories depending on brand/construction) they actually have their strengths.

The plastic ball lacks spin and oddly, it makes many fast blades viable for more players.

Consider this, pre-2010, with a celluloid 40mm, ALC blades like the Viscaria and even the TBS or fast 7 plies like the Clipper or Persson were simply too fast for the majority of club players. 

They were too fast because opponents could use heavy spin (like a spinny opening loop, or even a strong push) to generate unforced errors from the user. Lower level club players could be easily exploited for having chosen the wrong blade. Basically, OFF and OFF+ blades cost players points, games and matches.

Fast forward 8 years, and even with advances in rubber, the spin of the plastic balls (in the trajectory, after the bounce) is drastically less than celluloid. So much so that quick attacks (like the banana flick and FH flip) are more valuable. 

In the modern game, it would seem that players win with quickness and placement, not with spin and power.






Ah well, at least the ITTF youtube channel's upload content is amazing... Love those high frame rate 8bit powerpoint presentations.


Such high quality video that you can easily stream with 28.8k dial up connection.
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Originally posted by purpletiesto purpletiesto wrote:

Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

For all the faults of the plastic balls (irregular bounce, poor manufacturing quality, poor quality control, different bounce heights and trajectories depending on brand/construction) they actually have their strengths.

The plastic ball lacks spin and oddly, it makes many fast blades viable for more players.

Consider this, pre-2010, with a celluloid 40mm, ALC blades like the Viscaria and even the TBS or fast 7 plies like the Clipper or Persson were simply too fast for the majority of club players. 

They were too fast because opponents could use heavy spin (like a spinny opening loop, or even a strong push) to generate unforced errors from the user. Lower level club players could be easily exploited for having chosen the wrong blade. Basically, OFF and OFF+ blades cost players points, games and matches.

Fast forward 8 years, and even with advances in rubber, the spin of the plastic balls (in the trajectory, after the bounce) is drastically less than celluloid. So much so that quick attacks (like the banana flick and FH flip) are more valuable. 

In the modern game, it would seem that players win with quickness and placement, not with spin and power.






Ah well, at least the ITTF youtube channel's upload content is amazing... Love those high frame rate 8bit powerpoint presentations.


I remember some protour where harimoto and liang played and ittf forgot to display the score in the screens of the court and other videos streamed where you cant see the score
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They put up a few matches in extremely high quality. Why aren't all pro tours like this at least. I mean are they really having bandwidth issues??? It's insane. There is almost no additional costs in a relative sense. It's peanuts.
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I don't think they have any clue what they are doing in general and with streaming in particular.
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