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middleway
Member Joined: 11/13/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5 |
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Posted: 11/13/2006 at 2:05am |
Hey guys, I'm trying to buy my first bat and I'm really confused about what blade+rubber combo is best for my style. I'm hoping you guys can help me out. Here's all the critical information:
I've been playing for about 4 years I use a shakehand grip I like to play off the table (a step or two back) I don't speed glue (still to new to this stuff) I favor my forehand and love all sorts of forehand spin (topspin, backspin, side spins, everything) but I play mostly topspin loops and drives (love looping from a few feet back) I'm less versatile with my backhand and tend to use it more defensively (lots of backspin type shots) but my goal is to develop a decent backhand topspin/loop stroke. Overall, I think I'd describe myself as ALL+ or OFF- (though I may play a bit more defensively against better opponents or those who force me to use my backhand). I guess that's it. I need to select a blade and rubber. I'm so confused though because if you go by the manufacturer's descriptions every rubber out there will make you the best in the world. It's hard to compare one to the other. As far as blades I have absolutely no clue what characteristics I should be looking for. I need help! Anybody? |
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pimpmyracket
Super Member Joined: 04/28/2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 391 |
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Any decent medium speed/spin combo should be good. Consider:
BLADE: LKT Instinct+ RUBBERS: Cream on MRS (Magic Red Sponge) Maybe experiment with one Cream MRS, and one LKT Pro XT rubber for more spin. The LKT Pro XT is soft and will give you loads of spin. The Cream MRS is a little harder and is better for loop drives. That is a decent setup if you're on a budget. Once you're more sure of your style, you can figure out what to move up to. You might as well stick with that instead of moving up to high-powered carbon rackets so you can develop your stroke and power. Talk to Cole Ely, he can give you advice and get you the right stuff. (www.colestt.com) |
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729 Dynasty Hinoki Carbon, FL Cream MRS - 2.2mm Stiga Innova - 2.0mm |
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middleway
Member Joined: 11/13/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5 |
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Thanks PMR! I just checked out the equipment you suggested on Cole's site. Very affordable. The blade definitely sounds right to me, and based on the rubber descriptions I'm assuming you're suggesting the LKT Pro XT for my forehand with the Cream on MRS for my backhand?
I'm wondering if that would be best, or if I should go with Cream MRS on both sides. Which do you guys think makes a better attacking forehand rubber (for a topspin/looping type player who likes to occasionally mix it up)? According to the site, LKT Pro XT is awesome if you glue, but it says it may not be very fast unglued.. whereas Cream MRS is good either way. Ugh. Maybe I should just learn to glue. |
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pimpmyracket
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No problem middleway.
Cole's a good guy, he'll give you extensive advice. He's got a robot at home and tests his rubbers, so he's got a boatload of knowledge. The LKT Pro XT was a suggestion if you want to experiment with more spin. It's really soft, so your loops will be very different than with a Cream. It will arc a lot more. But yeah, speed may be a factor. But DON'T glue! It's a waste of money and they're going to ban it in 2007 anyways. You might want to try a Dawei Sprungfeder G3 A2. I really like that one. It's not tacky (so you gain some speed), and it's fairly soft so you can get good spin from it. Maybe try a Sprungfeder and a Cream so you can see which you like to loop with, then just use the other rubber on the backhand. |
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729 Dynasty Hinoki Carbon, FL Cream MRS - 2.2mm Stiga Innova - 2.0mm |
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middleway
Member Joined: 11/13/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5 |
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Alright, so I've got it narrowed down. I'm gonna go with the instinct blade (still have to decide on 5-ply or 7ply) and Cream MRS on the backhand.
For the forehand I'm going to go with a different rubber because I figure it's good to experience a few different kinds. Here's the choice I have to make: Dawei Sprungfeder G3 A2 or Dawei Inspirit. How do these compare in terms of softness, speed, spin, tackiness, etc? Is there anything that one does better than the other? Keep in mind I'm not using speed glue.. so is one more dependent on glue than the other? Thanks so much guys for all the help, I really appreciate it! |
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alfie
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I don't know much about these rubbers but I believe highpoint is similar to F2,perhaps you should add it to you list of rubbers to try especially since you don't glue
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pimpmyracket
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You can't go wrong with either of them. I believe the Inspirit is supposed to be faster. I tried both, but on different blades, and not directly comparing, so I didn't get an accurate comparison in my mind. But the Sprungfeder didn't seem to lack power at all.
I'd definitely recommend either of the two. It's good to experiment with one of these because they're not tacky, whereas Cream is pretty tacky. See which you like better. |
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729 Dynasty Hinoki Carbon, FL Cream MRS - 2.2mm Stiga Innova - 2.0mm |
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middleway
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Hmm.. so would Cream be considered spinnier than the other two (since it's tackier)?
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pimpmyracket
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Not necessarily. Spin can be created in several ways:
- tacky topsheet - soft topsheet (increases dwell time) - soft sponge (increases dwell time) - thick sponge (increases dwell time) So soft, non-tacky rubbers can also be very spinny. I'm not sure which is spinnier. I would think they are comparable though, not a huge difference. |
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729 Dynasty Hinoki Carbon, FL Cream MRS - 2.2mm Stiga Innova - 2.0mm |
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yogi_bear
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stiga all around classic wrb then ask for globe rubbers from cole ely--> [email protected]
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sunflex
Super Member Joined: 12/15/2005 Location: Anguilla Status: Offline Points: 355 |
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don't use chinese rubber if you play from the 2nd and 3rd position buy soft euro rubbers like sriver fx mendo energy stiga innova ultra light etc. Blade: Stiga Energy Wood fh: Mendo Energy 2.0 bh: Innova Ultra Light 1.8 |
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middleway
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oh great. conflicting advice.
I tried searching for an explanation of "2nd position" and "3rd position" but didn't find anything. What are you talking about and why wouldn't I want chinese rubber for those positions? For that matter, are the chinese rubbers on cole's site vastly different from euro rubbers? What type of player would choose chinese over euro or vice versa? In the meantime, I'll check out the equipment you suggested. Thanks! |
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TT_Freak
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A good typical Chinese rubber will give you the ability to creat lots of spin on shots that you want spin on, and power that doesn't top out when you swing hard.
A Euro model rubber on the other hand will give more spin the more you hit into the rubber, in other words your counterloops will likely have more spin than your normal loops. The ability to vary the levels of spin on the ball is also greater, but that kind of game is rather old school . |
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aanvaller
Beginner Joined: 03/27/2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 61 |
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Good advice. Using a chinese rubber doesn't neccesarily mean you'll be able to give more spin, it's how you handle it. And you also like to play away from the table, so i would suggest euro rubbers like sriver fx. For your backhand, definitely buy euro rubber! you say you want to develop a backhand loop, and if you still have to learn it definitely don't start using chinese rubber! Also don't use a carbon blade or anything else very fast, start doing this when you have developed a good fh and bh loop. my suggestion: fh: Sriver FX bh: Sriver FX blade: Butterfly Andrzej Grubba (all+) |
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pimpmyracket
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I don't think you need to spend that much money on Sriver FX's ($30). Dawei Inspirit and Sprungfeder are euro-style rubbers, for half the price.
For a first racket, there's no point jumping up to all the expensive Butterfly rubbers and blades until you know that's really what you need. Just stick with the Instinct or Instinct+. The equipment won't make or break you, as long as it's got the basic characteristics, it'll be fine. As you play more serious and refine your game, then you'll know whether there are other specific needs to address with equipment. |
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729 Dynasty Hinoki Carbon, FL Cream MRS - 2.2mm Stiga Innova - 2.0mm |
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pimpmyracket
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That Butterfly setup will cost you $45 + 30 + 30 = $105 The Instinct with Inspirits is $16 + 16 + 16 = $48, and I'm sure Cole will give a discount for racket combos. |
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729 Dynasty Hinoki Carbon, FL Cream MRS - 2.2mm Stiga Innova - 2.0mm |
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aanvaller
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Good point. Most basic euro rubbers will be fine, doesn't have to be sriver. |
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blade: BTY Korbel Magichand
fh: DHS Hurricane 3 bh: Yasaka Mark V gps |
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