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 Topic: Haifu BW2 vs DHS H3 NeoPosted: 03/13/2010 at 11:52pm |
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Can someone compare please. I know someone already post similar topics before, but i would appreciate your input here.
I have few questions about these rubbers: haifu bw2 tuned version vs dhs h3 neo, on YEO blade.
Can someone compare these 2:
speed
spin
control
tackiness
looping
counter
durability
etc.
any info welcomed
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bought haifu bw2
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Posted: 03/14/2010 at 5:43pm |
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anyone?
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Posted: 03/14/2010 at 11:02pm |
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I haven't had too much of a hit from either, but from my brief experiences and what I've read/heard here are some points that you may find useful.
Speed: BW2 > Neo H3 Spin: BW2 = Neo H3 Control: ??? Not sure sorry. Looping: BW2 < Neo H3 Short game: BW2 < Neo H3 Degrees: BW2 _>36, Neo H3 40/41 Only had a few hits. The BW2 I played with was a 36 degrees factory tuned national one and Neo H3 I played with was a commercial 39 degrees one. And there's this as well as many other posts on the forum on Bw2. http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32673&PN=1 |
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Posted: 03/14/2010 at 11:25pm |
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im looking at the mytabletennis shop and it says the bw2 is national version? so the powerpingpong.com bw2 is the same thing? or are those 2 different versions?
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Speed: BW2 is faster and has a more devastating third ball attack.
Spin: The spin is about the same. I would be leaning more towards h3 if i had to pick one though. Control: Neo H3 is better. Looping: I get more ball on the table with h3. The rubber feels more consistent in the sponge and is more reliable. Short game: Hurricane 3 is a lot better in short game. Any underspin shot in general and also flicking. Degrees: Both were 39 degree This is all on tbs blade. I love both rubbers on this blade but h3 does so much more for me. My strength is my third ball power so I don't need my rubber to do it for me. The way i see it, h3 is better in every way apart from loop drives. When new the h3 would only be about 5% slower than bw2 anyway. Essentially i get more opportunities to kill with h3 because of extra control, whereas bw2 will make sure those kills don't come back. |
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Posted: 03/15/2010 at 12:53am |
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commercial NEO H3 vs prov H3 NEO commercial NEO h3 is way too slow.....
its like totally trying different rubber when u change from commercial to Prov....
so are comparing commercial Haifu II vs commercial NEO H3 only...or ??
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Actually i've never tried the commercial...sorry if my review was missleading.
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are there versions of nat and comm bw2? i mean isee on mytt shop their bw2 says national version. on powerpingpong.com doesnt say anything about the version, but im guessing those 2 are the same?
+ i have no idea where to get neo h3 prov version? any tips?
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the only place that sells h3 neo provincial are prott.cn and ttrubberman
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lol yea, sorry. i got the last part wrong =)
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can u give me some feedback on bw2 vs dhs neo h2/h3
i remember reading somewhere that u tried neo and u didnt like it and went back to bw2. any comment on why?
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either i got a bad batch of h3 or it doesn't have enough spin for me. the topsheet (when i removed the plastic) didn't seem as shiny as bw2 and when i tried looping with h3 neo on my YEOit didn't have enough dip. all my loops were going long.
in every other aspect, it plays so similar to bw2 that i see no reason why i should change to neo h3. |
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i used 1 neo h3 commercial and 1 h3 provincial TUNED (before neo came out). and i still had the same issue. don't remember where i got them from though....either powerpingpong or ttrubberman. either way, don't be discouraged if you want to try h3 neo. it just might not be for me but it'll work for others. there are so many that swear by it that i just think that it doesn't suit my style that's all....
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wat about your bw2? are u using the later version of it? perm tension? and where did u get urs from? 39 degree? sry alot of ques. im about to buy a new setup
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yea using the perm tension one now. takes about 2 weeks to really break it in right. glue it up about 4 times and it's a beauty. perm tension seems to be a bit softer than the original vacuum packed ones but no biggie. bought them from ttnpp.com and he really gives us a nice deal. but the ones from power ping pong and ttrubberman are exactly the same. so no worries about where you get the bw2's from.
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It's difficult to accurately compare these rubbers when BWII is available in so many different hardnesses (36,37,38,39,40, and more?) and versions National, Regular, Tuned, Permananent Tension... And H3 Neo is little better with commercial, national and provincioal versions, in varying hardnesses. The waters are muddied further by DHS stating that there are a "great number of fakes on the market" countered by players accusations of DHS changing formulation of topsheet and sponge between batches to fine tune the NEO brand...
And we haven't even begun to touch on the "Quality Control" that each brand is known for... What one person swears by, another swears at.
At the end of the dat, all of this variability occurs before you start taking into account the differences in individual play style and strokes.
In summation, a comparison between BW2 and Neo H3 is the polar opposite of comparing Sriver EL to something like Donic Barracuda, where the former is a well known "constant" and the characteristics of the other act to highlight the differences.
Bottom Line:
Buy a sheet of BW2 and H3 Neo.
And then when you are done with your own tests and experiences, buy another sheet of each; you're almost guaranteed to a new experience each time.
Or, you could just buy a sheet of rubber from a reputable manufacturer who actually pays people to inspect rubber sheets coming out of the factory and know that your money is well spent.
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Posted: 03/15/2010 at 11:39pm |
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degree sponge?
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+1 that last line
thats why i kinda waiting on bty spinart.. but thats in the end of april =[
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from what I've tried I can say that bwII is faster and spinier than h3 neo.
besides from that, a major difference is that bwII is softer and the loops come out with more curve (more similar to european rubbers). h3 neo is stiffer and loops are somehow like smashes with spin so the stroke has to vary a little bit. I think the curvy loop is better in some situations because it allows you to loop more balls no matter where you catch them. the straight loop of h3 neo can only be done when the ball is above the net level. I think that when really far from the table bwII loses some of its power and h3 neo shines a bit more, since you get more power from the extremely forward movement. |
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wats the tackiness comparison on both rubbers?
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Many sheets of BW2 are more tacky than H3 Neo.
So while production runs seem to vary considerably from both companies, H3 tends to become grippy after a few uses, and BWII seems to remain more tacky.
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besides with haifu you have the advantage that you speed glue and the effect lasts for 2/3 weeks...
with h3 neo the effect of speed gluing the rubber is much less. when I hit with bwII I feel like I'm using butterfly rubbers, mushy... when I hit with h3neo I feel like I'm hitting with a piece of can... 
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i love the mushy feel of bw2 when i really rip my loops. i'm playing with h3 neo right now so i'll let you know how it feels when i finally get it down and worn in....
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any comments about the tackiness new and after usage of both rubbers?
i already ordered YEO and xtend hs, cant decide on bw2 or h3 neo.
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how does bw2 play on schagler carbon ? anyone?
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I just bought a few sheets of the H3-NEO/RED here in China. I'll give my report soon. I'll glue up tonight and hit . . . and have one of my coach's hit too. I will put one on a Clipper and one on a JPEN (Nittaku Excellent-P)
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I should mention that I have been using the BW2 for the past few months.
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