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    Posted: 07/31/2017 at 5:03am
There, I said it. lol

I can't be the only one who feels this way.


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I sympathize with you. Get that crap out of sight. I would be glad to relieve you of T05 ill feelings.


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Thumbs Up Me too bro!

Don't understand this rubber.

And why the hell it's so expensive?!
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I don't like it that much either, it's still too bouncy for me, H3 is much better for me :) For the backhand it's a different story but I have not tried it there.
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Oh, don't worry! Keep using a cheaper rubber (for example MX-S or EL-S) to defeat a T05 user. You could make them hate T05 as well.
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Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:

Oh, don't worry! Keep using a cheaper rubber (for example MX-S or EL-S) to defeat a T05 user. You could make them hate T05 as well.


Its not really about the price. I just didn't like the feel. Its also terrible for me in the short game. I've also tried some of the other Tenergy rubbers such as T05fx, T25fx, and T64. I didn't love any of them and T05 was my least favorite.
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a boosted hurricane 3 is better than T05.
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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

a boosted hurricane 3 is better than T05.


I've tired a friends boosted Hurricane 3 Provincial back when I played inverted on forehand. It was really good. I just didn't wanna fool with boosting all the time.
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inb4:

Originally posted by MyTT MyTT wrote:

" T05 is the ONLY rubba that suits MY super specific speed, spin, softness, weight, arc, pip structure, frequency, sound, 'feel', 'gears', REQUIREMENT. AngryAngryAngry"


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I don't like the feel or the price, and I find it hard to use.  I play much better with cheaper rubbers, so it's an easy decision for me.  But everyone is different.
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If anybody has 05 and dont like it send it to me :)
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I don't understand it either. Tenergy 64 is the shit
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Originally posted by ericd937 ericd937 wrote:

There, I said it. lol

I can't be the only one who feels this way.

You aren't, but the fact that you chose to make this thread instead of "I don't like Donic Bluefire" speaks volumes LOL
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Originally posted by HuLimei HuLimei wrote:

inb4:

Originally posted by MyTT MyTT wrote:

" T05 is the ONLY rubba that suits MY super specific speed, spin, softness, weight, arc, pip structure, frequency, sound, 'feel', 'gears', REQUIREMENT. AngryAngryAngry"

Does anyone actually say that? I don't know, I typically don't read into these discussions too hard. My guess is no, most people use T05 because they like the ease of use and spin/speed production, and don't find it cost-prohibitive to use. You would think that if all the Tenergy defectors were truly happy with their new rubber they would be totally happy and wouldn't find the need to gripe anymore...makes you think. 
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so what is the best T05 alternatives now in 2017?
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Originally posted by incarnation incarnation wrote:

so what is the best T05 alternatives now in 2017?


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Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Originally posted by HuLimei HuLimei wrote:

inb4:

Originally posted by MyTT MyTT wrote:

" T05 is the ONLY rubba that suits MY super specific speed, spin, softness, weight, arc, pip structure, frequency, sound, 'feel', 'gears', REQUIREMENT. AngryAngryAngry"

Does anyone actually say that? I don't know, I typically don't read into these discussions too hard. My guess is no, most people use T05 because they like the ease of use and spin/speed production, and don't find it cost-prohibitive to use. You would think that if all the Tenergy defectors were truly happy with their new rubber they would be totally happy and wouldn't find the need to gripe anymore...makes you think. 

You would think that if all T05 users were secure in their decision making that they wouldn't feel the need to pop into "I don't like T05" threads to defend their obviously wobbly position.

Of course I don't really think that - just an example of how silly this kind of argument is.
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Originally posted by ericd937 ericd937 wrote:

There, I said it. lol

I can't be the only one who feels this way.
then don't play with it 
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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Originally posted by HuLimei HuLimei wrote:

inb4:

Originally posted by MyTT MyTT wrote:

" T05 is the ONLY rubba that suits MY super specific speed, spin, softness, weight, arc, pip structure, frequency, sound, 'feel', 'gears', REQUIREMENT. AngryAngryAngry"

Does anyone actually say that? I don't know, I typically don't read into these discussions too hard. My guess is no, most people use T05 because they like the ease of use and spin/speed production, and don't find it cost-prohibitive to use. You would think that if all the Tenergy defectors were truly happy with their new rubber they would be totally happy and wouldn't find the need to gripe anymore...makes you think. 

You would think that if all T05 users were secure in their decision making that they wouldn't feel the need to pop into "I don't like T05" threads to defend their obviously wobbly position.

Of course I don't really think that - just an example of how silly this kind of argument is.

I'm not a Tenergy devotee. 

These T05/alternative threads generally only go one way. T05 gets bashed purely because of its price, plain and simple, then that carries over to performance bashing which is quite frankly, ridiculous. Look at the recent "professional players should not use T05" thread. So what is the reason for this? Are the members of this forum really that altruistic that they want to save random people from the internet 25 bucks every few months? Why do they never preach about how much better Evolution MX-P, value and performance wise, compared to other rubbers? 


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I´m another one who does not like T05. Considering I´m a SP penholder, the inverted rubber goes to my BH only. And here are the reasons I don´t like it:

First, of course, because of its price. It´s way too overpriced.
Second, because of speed. RPB rubber is not meant to be so fast. The speed-control ratio of T05 is not good for me. Rakza 7 works much better here (for half of the price).
And finally T05 is too sensitive to spin. I don´t like it particularly when I receive serves with chiquita stroke.
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Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:

Oh, don't worry! Keep using a cheaper rubber (for example MX-S or EL-S) to defeat a T05 user. You could make them hate T05 as well.

What if I told you not everybody is so deluded to think that they lost a match because of their rubber?
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"To each their own" - as someone wise once said....

It is the sport of preference and feel. I know OP talks about disliking this rubber for its feel/playing characteristics/etc so my first statement is purely about that...

But for all the players that dont/didnt like tenergy for its price but love it for its performance, it can actually save you money in certain situations:

here are my thoughts on this,

If you change rubbers (particularly tenergy alternatives) every 5-6 months for numerous reasons like drop in performance, durability, or simply you want to try the "next new T05 alternative", it might be cheaper to just get tenergy and stick with it a little longer (maybe 8-9 months) to get most out of it. Ofcourse the time numbers may be different for everyone so it depends on how often you play and how fast you wear out the rubber, but in general it should actually save you money.

That being said, after trying some tenergy alternatives and realizing i was changing them too often for numerous reasons I can proudly say Im going back to T05! ~gasp~ Big smile





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Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

I'm not a Tenergy devotee. 

These T05/alternative threads generally only go one way. T05 gets bashed purely because of its price, plain and simple, then that carries over to performance bashing which is quite frankly, ridiculous. Look at the recent "professional players should not use T05" thread. So what is the reason for this? Are the members of this forum really that altruistic that they want to save random people from the internet 25 bucks every few months? Why do they never preach about how much better Evolution MX-P, value and performance wise, compared to other rubbers? 

They do.  People do that about all sorts of rubber.  For me, tenergy was surpassed as an overall product ages ago and I do my best to mention that where appropriate.  But I don't expect that to hold true for everyone.

I think you hear more T bashing because it's at the extreme end of the market.  It's the most used by pros, it's the most expensive.  And some people (not the majority of forum members I should add, but lots out here in the real world) think that pro popularity and highest cost must equal best.

Personally I'm not about saving money - it's about best fit for an individual's game.  Assuming that Tenergy is the best for everyone is what I dislike.  I don't know anything about the thread you mentioned though.  Not sure how anyone who plays at an amateur level can have much of an opinion on what pros should use, just like I'm not sure how anyone can say that tenergy must be the best for them if Boll uses it, or whatever.
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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

I'm not a Tenergy devotee. 

These T05/alternative threads generally only go one way. T05 gets bashed purely because of its price, plain and simple, then that carries over to performance bashing which is quite frankly, ridiculous. Look at the recent "professional players should not use T05" thread. So what is the reason for this? Are the members of this forum really that altruistic that they want to save random people from the internet 25 bucks every few months? Why do they never preach about how much better Evolution MX-P, value and performance wise, compared to other rubbers? 

They do.  People do that about all sorts of rubber.  For me, tenergy was surpassed as an overall product ages ago and I do my best to mention that where appropriate.  But I don't expect that to hold true for everyone.

I think you hear more T bashing because it's at the extreme end of the market.  It's the most used by pros, it's the most expensive.  And some people (not the majority of forum members I should add, but lots out here in the real world) think that pro popularity and highest cost must equal best.

Personally I'm not about saving money - it's about best fit for an individual's game.  Assuming that Tenergy is the best for everyone is what I dislike.  I don't know anything about the thread you mentioned though.  Not sure how anyone who plays at an amateur level can have much of an opinion on what pros should use, just like I'm not sure how anyone can say that tenergy must be the best for them if Boll uses it, or whatever.

Well said and fair enough. I would think that it being the most used by pros might cue some people into the fact that it is a top notch rubber for high level players. That doesn't necessarily apply for the average forum poster, however maybe some of them missed that point. So, when a 1400 player says Tenergy 05 is "too spin sensitive and has no 'gears'", maybe a 1900 player reading this forum gets scared away from using it when in reality the 1900 could be well suited for it. Or, someone finds some reason to bash Tenergy because they paid up and slapped it on their racket and realized it didn't fix the problems with their game. But then they don't have so much regret/expectation when paying 40 for a rubber and thus have a less critical outlook.

Hence, this "pros should not use T05" thread being not only ridiculous but also an indictment on the poster's understanding of the game/equipment. So I guess we're in agreement for the most part LOL
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so what is the best T05 alternatives now in 2017?


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Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Hence, this "pros should not use T05" thread being not only ridiculous but also an indictment on the poster's understanding of the game/equipment. So I guess we're in agreement for the most part LOL

Totally.

I think the best advice for anyone is always to try things before you buy, if possible.  Keep an open mind.  Think about your level, your needs, and your disposable income.  If tenergy survives that process, then it's the one for you.

I love lower-level players like myself who use tenergy because a slow, spinny loop wins boatloads of points for me.  Higher-level players beat me with anything they decide to use, so they can fill their boots.
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05 last a bit longer but the price tag doesn't justify that diffenrence.  A brand new M1 or MXP is nearly as spinny as 05, maybe 5-8% less.
However a 6 month ESN is garbage and 05 is still usable& have some grip.
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I don't think you can be passive with the T05, or you will eat all the incoming spin, that's why less people like it on the BH than on the FH.  OP is playing with Xiom Zetro Quad, and SP on the FH, so he's playing somewhat close to the table, how active can he be with T05 on the BH...
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Outside of the price, T05 the best euro/japanese rubber I have ever used, I simply don't have the strength to play chinese rubbers (boosted or unboosted), so I don't think its fair for me to compare them to tenergy for my use-case. 

No other ESN/Japanese rubber has the same kind of gears, control and ease access to spin, and not to mention durability as T05.

I m not sure of other tenergies, all my observations are about T05.
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