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NeverTibharAgain 
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 Topic: I will never buy Tibhar again and thats whyPosted: 02/18/2022 at 8:47am |
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Hello everyone, i am playing table tennis for 15 years.
I tried almost all popular brands and had fun changing rockets, trying something new. I want to share with you my worst buying experience and warn you all from the same problem. I even created short video to show it: This is my first experience in posting on forums and i want to share this information and hear about similar occasions. I heard that most veterans and pioneers in my country prefer old blades and explain that new blades are overpriced, looking good but the same blades may feel and play randomly. Now i totally agreed with them.
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soli
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So you once played with a Tibhar blade that you qualify as pretty decent.
Now you order a new one, you put rubbers on it, removed them, and only then discovered a "hole" and asymmetrical wood layers. I find this rather surprising… Moreover, you complain about tt11.com for what exactly? Did you complain to them and they fail to answer? Did they do anything wrong? I'm sorry that your new year present has been disappointing, but, TBH, your post against TT11.com for doing nothing wrong, and against Tibhar for a single case of bad quality (and actually another case, your previous blade, of good quality) will not change in any way what I think of them. Actually, if I were you, I'd contact TT11 about my issue (instead of making it a public forum post) and try to get that sorted out. But you might prefer whining here… |
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I am truly sorry that you have had this experience and very grateful for you to share your experience with us all!
However, I feel you do not go far enough with your proposed boycott of Tibhar and feel you should extend this to a complete boycott of all German TT companies! If Tibhar are getting away with making a mockery of your New Year's present, just imagine what all those other German companies are capable of!?
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NeverTibharAgain
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I want to hear people with same problems or someone who know something in equipment production, not toxic flame.
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As I worked in manufacturing for almost 20 years , I can guarantee that we can find defects in the process. We should not judge whole brand from only few quality defects they made. In quality system, somehow 5,000 ppm (part per million) for defect or below 0.5% can be consider as good process capability already. Defect can come from man , machine , method and material. So, only what we should do is contact seller to help working with brand for replacement. No one will be injured or dead because of this kind of defect so should not be very big issue.
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 let's not go half way, it's called following through, way to go!
screw BMW, Audi and Mercedes! I will never drive one of those expensive cars! oh, I can't afford them anyway, how convenient! |
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Harald
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Greetings from Germany,i feel like Love is in the Air. Once played Tibhar Black Magic Bh Rubber (whoever has ANY info regarding what happened to this rubber,pls feel free to Post whatever you found,even if it´s the most shitty rubber ever!) and was fine with it,but that was the only Tibhar Product i can think of that i used. Sry if this happened to you,but go to those guys who make good quality custom Blades and support them. Some are very fond of Tibhar and had great experiences with them. I play mostly Donic cause i played them for the longest time and had good experiences with them. Same also goes for BTY,Yasaka,Nitakku,etc.... Edited by Harald - 02/18/2022 at 7:46pm |
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DonnOlsen
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Hi,
It's fun to read proposals such as boycotting a whole country's table tennis equipment manufacturers. I've never been able to think that big. On a more serious note, one point brought up by the complaint was the advocated responsibility of a dealer to inspect a sold racket prior to shipment. This does not seem unreasonable to expect a 30 second lookover prior to mailing it out. This would not apply to rubbers as they come sealed from the factory. Thanks.
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Tenergy: Two weeks of heaven, followed by three months of excellence, then, a nice rubber.
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Harald
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Posted: 02/18/2022 at 9:12pm |
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yes the quality control must have been better!
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Harald
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Black Magick BH Rubber from 20 Years ago ANY Info from Anybody?
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US: Expand NATO eastwards!
Russia: Don't join NATO or else! OP in Ukraine: Gotta warn people about Tibhar and TT11! |
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FYI: OP was refunded for this blade one month ago.
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Harald
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then the Op should be at least mature enough to admit this,well...greetz from the "oh so damning" country of Germany :)
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Congrats for your purchase! At least, you have just realized that Thibar also orders their fancy blades from any ordinary chinese manufacturer.
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Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
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NeverTibharAgain
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For me Tibhar was always associated with germany quality and Vladimir Samsonov. I was shocked that Tibhar today is more close to cheap Chinese mass-market. |
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What a weird story! It sounds like a teenager making a mistake.
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Very interesting indeed. Since the word toxic was used just now, I would very strongly suggest that the person who started this thread should quickly address the issue of why he decided to make a post like these 30 days after the vendor in Estonia refunded his money d why he chose to NOT mention this seemingly important fact in his original post. What happens next will depend on his reply and if he makes one..
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I bet you could fill that hole with glue and you wouldn't notice the difference if you were given a blade without a hole but beside the point.
Time to share things you like too.
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Most big companies have different classes of products, entry level, medium, premium, etc. A big portion of what differentiates these categories is Quality Control. A tighter quality control means that more pieces will get rejected after production, which brings the costs up. Also, quality control can only be done by a human, and humans are flawed. So, if we are talking about a mass produced entry level product, there will certainly be some subpar samples out there. You can't boycott an entire company based on one sample, most of all when you have been re-funded for said product.
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NeverTibharAgain
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Some people has real life and real tournaments and family etc. Some people has too much free time and maybe some lack of social communication and attention. We are all different  This is my first experience to post something on forums and create videos. After this video they did refund. 99% of normal shops worldwide work like that, nothing special. The question is all about quality changes and bad trends about equipment. I was also extremely surprised of why such shop as tt11 cant spend 10 sec to check quality of blade BEFORE shipping. But 80% of people who write comments here just want to talk something and tell cheap jokes. In our community in real life we react in a different way and help each other by sharing REAL experience.
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Wow, you are the first smart person who actually get close to what i wanted to say and to hear! I believe that you actually table tennis player. I will boycot it and many other smart people will do so in the future other brands will care about quality more. Imagine you got a new car with hole inside a door. It will drive somehow and shop will give you refund in 99%. But the main fact is a bad trend, i am shocked that most people here cant get it without explanation
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I'm a player and I'm a blade builder, so I understand both sides. You pay for quality, so if you only payed a little more than 40€ for a blade, don't expect it to be premium quality. Doesn't mean you have to receive a faulty product, and that's why the store refunded you, so in my eyes all is well.
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I played with Yinhe blades with $20-30 price and i cant remember quality problems.
So no, not all is well. Since that moment tibhar is no more germany quality as they dont care about customers and dont control their products before selling it. It is all about reputation.
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Of course you can boycott anything you want. However if I extrapolate your logic, then you shouldn't buy anything from any company that has at least one item with defect. This means that you shouldn't buy any table tennis product at all, because every company produced at least one bad blade. Also you shouldn't buy any car, any phone, probably you shouldn't live in the house (because builders often make mistakes), you have to boycott clothing companies as well. Actually you should boycott almost every single company in the world. Are you sure that it is a right approach? Do you always do everything flawlessly?
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1) Comparing primitive 7 ply wood product and electronic. You are very smart.
2) Show me failed blade like this from Butterfly or DHS or Joola. No excuses, just find and show!
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7-8 years back , I bought 3 Joola blades (same model, Rossi Force) and gave them to players / coach who was national team player. After 3-4 days of use they sent me back and told that core of the blade broken not only one but all 3.No sure if you would count on it. Maybe I kept it somewhere
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1) And why not? If they produce defective items? Also you could notice that I compared all products, not only electronics. And you didn't answer whether you perform your activities without any single mistake for years, maybe your employer should fire you after the first one. And yes, I'm very smart :) And on my opinion making conclusion that whole brand has bad quality check or cannot produce quality items after buying single one is not very smart (especially after you got your money back)
2) Do you really believe that there is a company in this world that can produce thousands of blades (or hundreds of thousands) without any single defect? DHS: https://ooakforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=36143 (not sure whether I would call that a defect, but the guy, who bought it, did and that definitely not very nice quality) and... Are you going to boycott them now?
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Your suggestion that other posters here are not real players is trolling. This is your first warning. The next one will come with a suspension.
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