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    Posted: 08/15/2007 at 3:56pm

I just opened my new package containing the long awaited Dawei Quattros. Others have already posted thier findings on this rubber but I just had to try it for myself since I was having niggling feelings about what I was hearing about this rubber.

For starters, the general opinion seems to be so far that the hardness scale for this rubber is all screwy and that some people were recommending that the hardness of choice should be in the 39's or even 36's. I found this a bit troubling since I have always found the Daweii scale to be more on the soft side, in fact my previous purchase of Inspirits were a bit too soft at 42 for my taste. (How could they have gotten the scale so wrong?)
 
I was curious to see if Daweii had improved the grippiness over the reg Inspirit as this was what I considered the biggest weakness of Inspirit ; its lack of spin on serves.
 
I ordered the Quattros in 44, 42 and 40 so I could see how the rubber performed over the range of sponge hardesses.
 
The first thing I noticed is how nice and Euro like the packaging is.
 
Theres also some prose about the difference between Quatttro and its forerunner Inspirit.
Basically its saying theres no need to speedglue quattro as its already been tuned yaddah yaddah yaaah (You know I'm gonna glue this right?)
 
But it gets truly riduiculous when they say (and I quote): Adoption to Quattro may take a few days of practice , because the power from the maximized built in speed is FAR BEYOND YOUR EXPERIENCE.
 
OK mr Quattro man, I think you are taking it a bit too far.
 
The Sponge is a dull cream yellow with the sponge hardness and thickness clearly printed on.
 
The rubber which comes under a sticky plastic film is bright red and japanese shiny, indistiquishable from Hammond or any popular jap sheet and to the touch feels grippier than any other Dawei rubber I have tried.
 
The 44 deg sheet is really heavy. Its about the density of the German stuff like Joola Tango Extreme and DHS stuff.
But the 42 and 40 feel real light to in my hands.
 
The word quattro does not appear on the topsheet at all but contrary to whats been said this is not the same topsheet on the Inspirit (The manufacturer confirmed this to me)
 
Tonight I'm going to hit with the rubbers and maybe I will post a complete review later.
 
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You will find the way it plays tonight and the way it plays after a few days completely different.
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it gets better or worse?
 
also, i'm not sure if the yellow sponge is exactly the same, although dawei tells me it's still the same quattro sponge, but they just ran out of orange pigment so they used yellow.
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I had the Quattro briefly and the topsheet seemed far superior to the Inspirit, which was a little brittle. I would guess serves would be much spinnier with the Quattro too.
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they did soften up the formulation a bit I think
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So I fixed the quattro 42deg to my trusty Gergely Carbon blade temporarily replacing my regular choice Hammond, my practice partner simultaneously put on a sheet of Quattro 44 deg replacing his regular rubber Bryce FX.
The Quattro isnt at all in 42 deg as heavy as I  had expected based on previous reviews. In fact, the blade felt lighter than with the Hammond on (and Hammond is pretty light). The 44 is very heavy though, definitely Bryce weight or even more.
I am pleased that the rubber feels quite lively in counterhits, forehand rolls seem quite natural ; its definitely faster than Inspirit, appreciably faster.
Drives are full of oomph, my drives are definitely going deeper on the board but with seemingly less dip arc and curve. The throw is lower than for Hammond or even regular Inspirit but not so low that I need concious adjustment. I dont feel a lot of bite on my drives like with Hammond or Donic rubbers but my partner blocks off my harder drives. But I'm hitting real sharp penetrating drives with this stuff.
In counterlooping rallies I can force back my partner without having to make a monster swing, definitly more control at higher speeds. I am betting less swerve on my (think JO Waldner) sidespin counterloop drives.
I'm going to say the topspin is less than with Hammond but the speed is greater.
Quattro is not as loud as Hammond or Samba or Sprung it seems to efficiently translate more  of its energy into forward thrust, into raw speed closer to the Hurricanes or even Bryce. The speed seems to come from a combination of  sponge density (like Bryce and H3) and catapult effect like Hammond and Samba. Donic F1HS is another rubber that does this.
My practice partner tries to drive a few balls with the 44deg Quattro and I notice he's missing the table at first by about two feet. He points out that the rubber is clearly faster than BFX and probably Bryce as well.
I also notice that he seems to be getting less curve on his loops especially dip and swerve which is exactly my experience as well.
As a Inspirit tester he also notes that the Quattro represents a huge improvement on Inspirit, looks like a love connection.
Services are  certainly better than with the Inspirit. Here I feel much more grab on a serve and I can make my opponent put a few backspins in the net and hit off a few of my kickers. I still feel I get more spin on service from the Hammond but I am tempted to think this might be a technque issue since I remember my experience with Bryce where I couldnt generate any spin with it at first.
All in all I am very pleased with this rubber, its faster and spinnier than Inspirit and BFX and I did not experience any problems with the weight of the rubber which is a pet peeve of mine. I do not think that improvements in speed ought to come at a sacrifice to lightness.
I can not fathom why there seems to be some different ideas about what hardness to get this rubber in as the scale seems to be identical to all Dawei's other rubbers and quite reliable IMHO. If you want medium hard Hammond speed 42 is about right, if you want Bryce weight and power , 44 is your man.
I have also noted the comments that the rubber is going to change into something else later on, and I will look out for this interesting turn of events. I have only ever experienced anything close to such a thing with extremely sticky rubbers which are different when the sticky factor wears out but this rubber isnt sticky so I really dont know.
If the transformation does take place I will advise the group.
Sorry about opening up a new thread but all the hype about this rubber seems to be coming from the dealers so I needed to see for myself and I'm pleased I did.
Hype well deserved.
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What do you mean by "not sticky" ? I read in other threads that the stickyness is similar to euro and jap rubbers.

Do you mean when you run your hand on the rubber it's smooth ?
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Very few Euro or Jap rubbers are sticky.
I can only think of Tackyness from Butterfly at the moment.
Sticky refers to the tendency for the rubber to adhere to or stick to the ball. This tends to be a feature of Chinese rubbers especially Friendship and DHS classical rubbers. Some of these rubbers can hold the ball to the surface even upside down or you can pick up the ball by leaving the bat on top of it an dthe ball sticks to the rubber.
Having said all of that, this rubber aint sticky.
 
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@ petermoo
 
i am sure the dawei dealers are very pleased with your opinion and creating a new thread.. as the previous thread was attracting some adverse opinions as well.
 
some dealers have just got huge stock of dawei items.. and would welcome some positive remarks about quattro... after the criticism this rubber received following the initial hype.
 
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Thanks Debraj.
I'm just an EJ seeking truth upliftment and world peace, the dealers welfare doesnt factor in for me, and lately I have noticed that the dealers do make optimal use of these forums but its important we keep things independent and objective.
I remember getting on the wrong side of my good friend at Donic for an unfavourable review of Sonex way back.
This is not to say that a dealer cant be objective and truthful. I respect the findings of people like Cole and HaggisV.
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i agree with you on cole and haggisv.

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Originally posted by petermoo petermoo wrote:

Thanks Debraj.
I'm just an EJ seeking truth upliftment and world peace, the dealers welfare doesnt factor in for me, and lately I have noticed that the dealers do make optimal use of these forums but its important we keep things independent and objective.
I remember getting on the wrong side of my good friend at Donic for an unfavourable review of Sonex way back.
This is not to say that a dealer cant be objective and truthful. I respect the findings of people like Cole and HaggisV.


 But it's not like Sonex is exactly worthy of great reviews...

 And with regards to the Quattro playing different after a few days, it's basically the glue feeling. Like a speed glued rubber loses it's wonderful glued feeling after a few days, the tensor sponge type rubbers are the same, as they tend to react to normal 'basic chack' as if it were speedglue. (Anyone using Donic F2, Plasma 430 etc can try regluing their rubber with a couple of layers of normal or basic chack- like Butterfly Clean Chack, and then they will be able to feel and hear what I mean).

 So anyway, once that feeling wears off, the Quattro should theoretically play a little different a few days after it has been glued on to the bat.
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I always thought that the glue feel increased as those kinds of rubbers break in and soften up.

Although the 42 and 44 may be correctly labled, the 35 definately is not. Its 40 any way you slice it.
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I hit with the 42 degree Quattro on a friend Gergely and the 1st night it was somwhat uncontrollable.  Plenty of speed but too much trampoline effect and not enough spin.  It had been glued with 2 layers of speed glue.  I told him to reglue it so we tried it again with 2 more layers of glue the next night and it was faster but more controllable.  Since then he has not reglued as he likes the way it is playing but over a week the performance and sound seem to get better.  I am still using regular Inspirit but will now change to Quattro especially as I wont have to reglue.
 Thanks for your review Petermoo and keep us posted on the way it plays after it is reglued.
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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

I always thought that the glue feel increased as those kinds of rubbers break in and soften up.

Although the 42 and 44 may be correctly labled, the 35 definately is not. Its 40 any way you slice it.
 
 The glue effect in the sponge increases over time (in the first few weeks- depending on playing time), but the effect from the glue decreases after a couple of days.
 
 I reglued (with clean chack, not speed glue) my 430 & Donic F2 the morning of a tournament, after playing with them on the blade for a couple of months, and the increase in speed, spin and sound was huge, several people thought I was using rubber with about 3 layers of speedglue.
 
And with the sponge hardness, you are saying the 35 is about 40, but the 42 and 44 are correct?
 
So...
35=40
39=41??
42=42
44=44 ??
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So should the quattro be glued to the blade with speed glue ? Or basic glue (like basic chack) would do for the 1st (and last :p) gluing ?
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Originally posted by Atomica Atomica wrote:

Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

I always thought that the glue feel increased as those kinds of rubbers break in and soften up.

Although the 42 and 44 may be correctly labled, the 35 definately is not. Its 40 any way you slice it.
 
 The glue effect in the sponge increases over time (in the first few weeks- depending on playing time), but the effect from the glue decreases after a couple of days.
 
 I reglued (with clean chack, not speed glue) my 430 & Donic F2 the morning of a tournament, after playing with them on the blade for a couple of months, and the increase in speed, spin and sound was huge, several people thought I was using rubber with about 3 layers of speedglue.
 
And with the sponge hardness, you are saying the 35 is about 40, but the 42 and 44 are correct?
 
So...
35=40
39=41??
42=42
44=44 ??


Well I can tell you that the inspirit Quattro that I recieved, And I'm talking a large order, has correct sponge hardness stamped on them.

My Inspirit Quattro's have yellow sponges, and the 35 degree feels exactly like the Inspirit 35 degree.

The 39deg feels like the 39 degree inspirit and so ON.

Maybe Cole's batches have been stamped incorrectly. Why would any company not follow their own measuring protocol. I know that some Chinese companies are pretty slack, but so far have found Dawei Sponge to be consistent in their hardness stamping.
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I don't know the answer as to why, I just know that my 35 is really 40. I would classify mine in this way:

35=40
40=42
42=44

This isn't just my opinion (although I trust my judgment as much as anyones as I work with this stuff daily.) It is the opinion of several customers and posters over the last month.
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Again, I don't believe I'm doing customers a disservice by selling this rubber mismarked, as I'm carefull to let people know what they're getting.
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I believe you cole, Your stuff must have been stamped wrong. You should complain to Kong about it.

A lot of my customers are asking for 35 thinking it is more like 40, then when they receive it, they say its too soft. That why I'm trying to let everyone know.
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