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kenneyy88
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I don't like playing jpen, I always end up distracted by that big ass handle. :(
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Has anyone measured or calculated the area covered by rubbers on a typical J-Pen (squared blade) and compared it to typical C-Pen dimensions?
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I think I'll get out the measuring tape and calculator. Hey, the excellent P is round. |
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NightyKnight
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I've been playing jpen RPB with Nittaku Expert-H for the past three years. My reason for playing it wasn't because I felt it helped add value to my game, but because I thought it was very cool to play something unique. I was able to get a pretty strong RPB swing out of it, sometimes stronger than my FH because I'm slightly ambidextrous. When doing the RPB, I never hooked my finger too hard or else I'd get this really nasty crack somewhere in my hand. Plus, hooking it for RPB didn't really let me maneuver as easily. But it was a hit I relied on a lot because I don't have tree trunks for legs (or that I'm a smidgen too lazy), and I think I developed it into a pretty decent BH.
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mdjenders
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Yes, Ryu is doing some RPB as we speak in the WTTTC. He has hit quite a few good ones vs. Yoshida.
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charlesj
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anyone used the following blades for RBH?
http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19084 |
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korearulz
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I reckon cause it is less heavier and more powerful. the thicker the blade, the quiker it is
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charlesj
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Since weight is the main issue here for j-pen RBH...
so how about this square shaped reversibles? |
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aeoliah
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Good question. And there are some light ones on the market like Nittaku Violin. Mine weighs 72 grams, but I don't use it for RPB though.
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TT_Freak
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The issue is with the grip. The new breed of penholders do not use the same grip as their forebears. In fact, my forehand does not feel like a penhold forehand at all. When you use a RPB grip it feels less like you're "pushing" and more like you're "pulling".
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charlesj
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aeoliah, how is violin in terms of feel? is it soft or hard? does it vibrate alot?
how about speed/power. weight? flexibility? comfort of handle? speed90 is thicker...8.5mm - I wonder if it is too thick. Expert-h and WOLFEED P-H are thin and light... but nittaku rate their speed as lower than violin... Violin is quite costly... I wonder if it is really worth the high value. kokutaku LASER CARBON PRECIOUS ROTARY is another one.... seems that the above are the top reversible choices |
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BrunodeDanann
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I've tried to do some experiences with rpb on my cypress and i haven't like the results.
I found it too heavy, the mobility was bad, and the amazing feel from the blade changed. I make up my mind RPB just on Cpen. |
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joris
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C-pen is wider than J-pen, the vibrations go to your hand should be longer than using J-pen, that means the dwell time longer, good for loop.
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i use Nittaku Excelity (78-79 g) and i dont find using that as RPB too heavy. I think the blade itself is pretty light and I also have a pretty strong wrist because of bboying so I didn't really find it heavy on my wrist. I have a friend i play against who uses cpen rpb and I tried using his paddle for awhile. To me, it feels like cpen has more feeling of control to it when looping than jpen rpb. I'm not too sure if I am correct but I think it might have to do with the thickness.
I think there really isn't a disadvantage to it once you get used to jpen rpb though. |
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charlesj
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charlesj
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could anyone compare the followings?....
- J-Speed 90 Reverse - Nittaku VIOLIN P-H or R-H - Nittaku WOLFEED P-H or R-H - Nittaku EXPERT-H, - kokutaku LASER CARBON PRECIOUS ROTARY in terms of wood hardness, speed, weight, thickness, comfort of grip and suitability for RBH... |
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charlesj
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I thought c-pen is usually better for fast and close to table attack rather than looping game |
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TT_Freak
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The way you hold a Jpen detracts from the RPB. To get the most out of a two sided penhold attack, you have to be able to change the angle of the blade. Since the hook locks your hand in place, its probably not such a good idea to do RPB with a traditional Jpen.
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charlesj
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Hi TT_Freak,
Are you using Violin c-pen? with TSP Actor? I may be getting violin j-pen reversible... but since the price of violin is rather high... and I hope to find out if it is really worth that price. Could you share with me how you find Violin... in terms of feel (soft/hard?... as compared to 1ply hinoki if you played that before) and speed... Nittaku rated violin to be rather fast but I saw some reviews saying that the speed is only normal... & not as fast as blades such as Nittaku Expert-H, which is a carbon blade |
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charlesj
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What's the weight of your cypress? Cypress S? How abt the overall weight with rubbers? |
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Hataw Na
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I have a BTY Cypress S that I have converted to RPB(by peeling off the cork on the backside). It worked great, but it becomes head heavy. Though, I also felt the same thing with my Stiga Clipper WRB C-Pen. Either way, the head heaviness is the issue. I think the only solution for that is to practice more, and more to strengthen the wrist. I also noticed that it is easier to uses the traditional BH block with the C-Pen than J-Pen. Because the handle of C-Pen is flat and wider, there is little adjustment when you decide to do the regular block or RPB. Whereas, in J-Pen(because of narrow handle) it is more comfortable when hitting RPB all the time. If you like Wang Hao's consistent RPB, then J-Pen is for you. But for Ma Lin's style, stick to C-Pen. Hataw Na |
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charlesj
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Hmm.... interesting..... so what blade are u using? |
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TT_Freak
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The Violin is an old school blade. Gives you enough feedback and a mild flex without being flimsy like a lot of the new Stiga blades. I imagine it'd be easier to customise the Jpen version since the larger handle lets you adjust the balance more.
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takaaki
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cuz they're stubborn and they don't wanna change.
cpen players are faced with the same weight problem, but a lot of them have made the switch anyway, probably because they have examples of top players to follow. so, you probably won't see jpen players doing it either until they see a top player do it first... |
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Thylacine
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I don't think we will see a top j-pen player using RPB anytime soon.
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Hataw Na
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Currently, I am using the J-Pen with Mendo MP 2.2 mm FH and Bryce 2.1 mm BH. I like the combination but I feel the Bryc have to be at the FH for extra kick. Mendo MP is a bit slow for FH but has good kick on the spin side unlike Bryce which is average in spinning department but a monster in speed at mid distance and counter rallies. No wonder its the favorite of current World Class Players and even Wang Hao? or Ma Lin? uses it in their RPB.
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It is...highly unlikely that Ryu is using RPB.
J-pen is not as suitable as C-pen for RPB purely because the grip is more suited to blocking. Jpen could use RPB, but it would never be as effective as a Cpen RPB. Some people put pips out for RPB Jpen to counter those spinny serves you sometimes get. Especially useful, but this would not be used at an international level. |
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saif
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If you watch the world vs Korea exhibition matchin YT, where Ryu tried to RPB against Wang Hao out of fun. No use though, ball goes at the base of the net.
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