My Penhold training vids -sallom89-

it wont let me watch it =s

fixed (I hope), so sorry guys!

Didn't really see much of your style except a very nice RBH. How do you play best? Close-in with quick blocks and hitting? A step back?

Right now, with all the new rubbers coming out, it might be in your best interest to read how the new releases play. Wait it out just a little. It's not like your shots are dropping before they get to the table.

bozbrisvegas wrote: Conan the Greek wrote: Right now, with all the new rubbers coming out, it might be in your best interest to read how the new releases play.    +1 Salome you should study what the latest release is and then you will know which harder rubber you should use for your style is.

I'm not sure facetiousness fits you boz...


To Sallom89 I say, sorry, I've not enough experience to really (intelligently) suggest anything but will say; if it is very spinny & landing consistently already,
speed is a luxury!

and- seems skilled, drop him a line?

Heimdallalso wrote: bozbrisvegas wrote: Conan the Greek wrote: Right now, with all the new rubbers coming out, it might be in your best interest to read how the new releases play.    +1 Salome you should study what the latest release is and then you will know which harder rubber you should use for your style is. I'm not sure facetiousness fits you boz...To Sallom89 I say, sorry, I've not enough experience to really (intelligently) suggest anything but will say; if it is very spinny & landing consistently already, speed is a luxury!and- seems skilled, drop him a line?

Heim I love you man but please when you mean I am not serious please say that, I mean come on man, I don't intend to be funny or humorous but situations arise that do call for it.

bozbrisvegas wrote: Heim I love you man but please when you mean I am not serious please say that, I mean come on man, I don't intend to be funny or humorous but situations arise that do call for it.

I take it back buddy!

Not only are you "right" in this case... you're just as entitled.


Boz did not mean what he said earlier!

Heim I hate to go off topic but will because someone hates me goin off topic more than I do,

Your avatar! Suss has improved so bloody much it's insane, I was really impressed with how he played in the wtttc.

That is Suss right?

as for what I did not mean what do you mean I did or don't mean?

oops Whack job...

Fruity Loop is right, you need more spin, not speed. And your practise with the robot looks as if it won't help you a bit. I give you a hint: turn the robot of, take a ball and let it fall perpendicularily on the table, then topspin it (BH or FH). Then you will learn to handle slow balls, that aren't coming from itself to your racket, your racket has to move to the ball. If you manage to spin those "stagnant" balls, then you will improve.

Sallom89 wrote: NOTE: Thanks Hem  for your informative comments

look again
I gave you what I could
including a link to a thread where YOU could find an experienced practitoner w/ a suggestion to query him via pm
what is so difficult to understand here???
did you even look at the link i posted
did you notice and- is also a huge Wang Hao fan???

Heimdallalso wrote: To Sallom89 I say, sorry, I've not enough experience to really (intelligently) suggest anything but will say; if it is very spinny & landing consistently already, speed is a luxury! and- seems skilled, drop him a line?

wtf

if you're whining about the slight side-track off-topic
bfd
people are way too sensitive about this

Heimdallalso wrote: btwbfd=big ingdeal

sd**, I'm better off without your ugly humor

smackman wrote: meanwhile... gota laugh at the pillowtalk.... �Is the Roundell soft good for blocking and pushing back, as there are always trade-offs between the a faster harder rubber and control factors, � maybe trying a med rubber? rather than going too hard, your hits look quite good

I never faced such a funny thing before on the forum :P

blocking topspin with roundell soft is a very good, the ball doesn't return as fast to your opponent (I feel that the ball penetrates the sponge and hits the blade) so you probably won't get attacked as strong if you got good placement and touch. I don't really push with it since it is on my RPB and I can cover place with my FH rubber, but I believe it is too bouncy on very slow shots. My coach was recommending that I shouldn't change my RPB rubber, he was just saying today that it suites me better than anything before.

Well think about what your coach says, and instead of changing work on the slow ball returns with abit more side/spin and really spin it up

Move yr feet!

I train under this same style.  So naturally things that I'm always working on for me, I notice for you. 

First thing, you have the arm extension down really well.  Part of the natural Chinese stroke is to keep the arm straight through the ball much more than its European/Japanese Counterparts.  In my opinion, that's like half the stroke is finding the ball at the right spot for maximum leverage to launch the ball.  It would also seem that you also have the arm osolatoin motion down.  You know, when finishing a stroke the arm comes right back into position through and ellipsoidal motion.

Some constructive criticism would be what some other mentioned earlier about your stroke.  The feet seem rather dead.  Particularly your lead pivot foot (In your case your left foot).  Checking the dates on the first video this may not be the case anymore, but try to get some more rotation in your lead foot.  This will promote a higher amount of body rotation which will, in turn, give you the extra "oomph" you need for the lack of spin that everyone is talking about.  To me, it looks like your other foot is trying to compensate for the lack of rotation from the left side of your body.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you pivot your foot from the side of your lead (yours would be left), your body should be shifting in sync much easier.

Your RPB looks pretty good.  I noticed in the first half of the video that, when meeting the ball, you were starting the blade off a little high.  It's not that this is a bad thing, but I've found that If I start the blade from a more vertical and lower position, the stroke comes out more complete.  In my experience the shorter strokes on RPB tend to be inconsistent with me hitting the net or past the end of the table.  The second half of the video your were implementing these principles much better than in the first half.

Anyway, there's my 2 cents.  From one RPB'er to another.  Good Luck with your journey .

APW46 wrote: Move yr feet! Sallom89 wrote: it doesn't move!! I only move for out of reach balls, I tried and tried to move for balls placed a bit away from each other but couldn't..maybe because I can adjust, but this is a bad bad habit and affect consistency..

Hi Sallom,

Does your coach work with you on your footwork at all? If he/she doesn't, try asking! Personally, I find footwork in the penhold style of play to be equally as important your forehand and backhand.

Judging from your videos, it seems as if you're very flat-footed on everything. If this holds true for your entire movement around the table, then it certainly would be a major cause of the problems you say you're having with moving around. A little springiness in your steps, bouncing on the balls of your feet works wonders with getting that spryness in your transitions and explosiveness for lunges and around-the-backhand forehand loops.

Another issue might be the exact way you move your feet. Have you ever sat down and closely examined/studied videos of top penhold players to see how exactly they transition from every position for every shot? I find careful studies of Xu Xin and Ryu Seung Min, for example, to be invaluable.

Some exercises that I do in coaching sessions and in my own time are shadow stroking all across the entire length of the table (forehand, of course)

far backhand corner -> backhand corner -> mid-table -> forehand corner -> far forehand corner -> forehand corner, etc etc

And then: mid-table -> backhand corner -> far backhand corner -> mid-table

The far backhand corner -> mid-table footwork I feel is very useful when practiced.

For springiness in your steps, do you know that exercise football (American football) players do, where they stand in one place and stamp their feet really really quickly (but on their toes)?

Do you do multiball with your coach, where he pushes angles and makes you run around the table willy-nilly? Basically like the shadow practices mentioned above with real balls and real hitting.

And if you want even more extreme training, I read somewhere on this forum (I think it was this forum) that in China for penhold players, they push TWO tables together and make said player cover the entire length of those two tables in multiball practice.

Wow. That's a long post. Sorry