My Penhold training vids -sallom89-

Omega740 wrote: I train under this same style.� So naturally things that I'm always working on for me, I notice for you.� First thing, you have the arm extension down really well.� Part of the natural Chinese stroke is to keep the arm straight through the ball much more than its European/Japanese Counterparts.� In my opinion, that's like half the stroke is finding the ball at the right spot for maximum leverage to launch the ball.� It would also seem that you also have the arm osolatoin motion down.� You know, when finishing a stroke the arm comes right back into position through and ellipsoidal motion.Some constructive criticism would be what some other mentioned earlier about your stroke.� The feet seem rather dead.� Particularly your lead pivot foot (In your case your left foot).� Checking the dates on the first video this may not be the case anymore, but try to get some more rotation in your lead foot.� This will promote a higher amount of body rotation which will, in turn, give you the extra "oomph" you need for the lack of spin that everyone is talking about.� To me, it looks like your other foot is trying to compensate for the lack of rotation from the left side of your body.� Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you pivot your foot from the side of your lead (yours would be left), your body should be shifting in sync much easier.Your RPB looks pretty good.� I noticed in the first half of the video that, when meeting the ball, you were starting the blade off a little high.� It's not that this is a bad thing, but I've found that If I start the blade from a more vertical and lower position, the stroke comes out more complete.� In my experience the shorter strokes on RPB tend to be inconsistent with me hitting the net or past the end of the table.� The second half of the video your were implementing these principles much better than in the first half.Anyway, there's my 2 cents.� From one RPB'er to another.� Good Luck with your journey .

I Appreciate it! I enjoyed reading what you wrote!!

rawrtje wrote: APW46 wrote: Move yr feet! Sallom89 wrote: it doesn't move!! I only move for out of reach balls, I tried and tried to move for balls placed a bit away from each other but couldn't..maybe because I can adjust, but this is a bad bad habit and affect consistency.. Hi Sallom, Does your coach work with you on your footwork at all? If he/she doesn't, try asking! Personally, I find footwork in the penhold style of play to be equally as important your forehand and backhand. Judging from your videos, it seems as if you're very flat-footed on everything. If this holds true for your entire movement around the table, then it certainly would be a major cause of the problems you say you're having with moving around. A little springiness in your steps, bouncing on the balls of your feet works wonders with getting that spryness in your transitions and explosiveness for lunges and around-the-backhand forehand loops. Another issue might be the exact way you move your feet. Have you ever sat down and closely examined/studied videos of top penhold players to see how exactly they transition from every position for every shot? I find careful studies of Xu Xin and Ryu Seung Min, for example, to be invaluable. Some exercises that I do in coaching sessions and in my own time are shadow stroking all across the entire length of the table (forehand, of course)far backhand corner -> backhand corner -> mid-table -> forehand corner -> far forehand corner -> forehand corner, etc etc And then: mid-table -> backhand corner -> far backhand corner -> mid-tableThe far backhand corner -> mid-table footwork I feel is very useful when practiced.For springiness in your steps, do you know that exercise football (American football) players do, where they stand in one place and stamp their feet really really quickly (but on their toes)? Do you do multiball with your coach, where he pushes angles and makes you run around the table willy-nilly? Basically like the shadow practices mentioned above with real balls and real hitting. And if you want even more extreme training, I read somewhere on this forum (I think it was this forum) that in China for penhold players, they push TWO tables together and make said player cover the entire length of those two tables in multiball practice. Wow. That's a long post. Sorry

I don't think penhold's foot work should always be better than shakehand, if you got a good backhand then you don't have always to jump around and finish with FH. It is true that moving in my place even for close balls work wonders and improve footwork. I watched some of the pro's footwork, but Xu Xin, Ma Lin and RSM footwork are too messy for me. I am not saying that they have bad footwork, but what I am saying is that they would do anything to step and play with FH.. it is natural for FH oriented players. I enjoy watching Wang Hao since he is strong on both wings, and his footwork is efficient. We work on multi balls, our latest multiball session was loop on the far left edge, center, the far right edge then again one far left edge for RPB. I believe the last part is a rumor, I first heard on the forum that RSM trains on two tables and now the Chinese players.

Thanks for your post, I enjoyed each and every part of it, if you have anything to post about penhold feel free and that this thread is your new home

Sallom89 wrote: Posted a new RPB video with some "snipering" LOL.

It says that the video is personal...

Edited by Sallom89 - 08/28/2010 at 12:17pm

Topspinify wrote: You have a very good feeling for spin from what I can see on your serves. But remember, when playing; FIRST - GENERATE SPIN (catch the ball on the middle of your racket, maybe 1-2-3 cm under the middle) SECOND - ADD POWER (throw the ball of you racket with the options: up, forward or down) My recommendation: Forget everything about speed until you know how to generate spin. Also, not to forget, when lifting underspin, you should for sure only focus on good spin. Only after this I highly recommend you to first catch/lift, then throw. Many people think table tennis is about hitting the ball, but it's not; it's about catching a throwing with almost all the rubbers. It's the way you get busted playing wanna be-any proffesional! Good training!

zheyi wrote: nice service!! i always had issue in my serves that i can lost many points in my own services : ( sometimes i feel i better let opponent serves all the way :p

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