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Timo Hu
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Since late 2008 when speed glue became illegal, every player has changed sponge. I don't know where you get the information that they use the same categories of sponge for 10+ years. National Hurricane changed its Bryce version sponge at around 2009 because Bryce sponge is highly reply on speed glue. BTW, I don't think your friend's posted national Hurricane rubber is genuine, so there's no meaning to do comparison here.
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glanden.zheng
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Are you serious? He got it straight from Fan Zhendong, and you're saying that's not genuine? And it's by pure logic that professional players would be using the same hard style Chinese sponge for however long they've played table tennis for in China, since Hurricane is very standard in China for professional teams. The Tenergy sponge with the Hurricane topsheet would be a completely different rubber altogether, like the H3-50, which many has said LACKS power even with booster, which would be contrary to what any CNT member would want. It seems very much like you don't play table tennis very much if at all, or else you would not be making this claim. Edit: Scroll down to see Ma Lin's rubber ripped off from his blade. You can tell that there's water glue so that is NOT before speed glue era. Does the sponge look porous at all? http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34187&PN=43
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Timo Hu
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Are you serious? Any people who trained a little bit table tennis know that all of the national players changed sponge after 2008. What I can say is you are completely a green hand in table tennis and may just start to play table tennis this year. That's why you have no idea about what's going on about table tennis in past few years. In addition, I also specified clearly that the top rubber sheet in genuine National Hurricane is very different from commercial Hurricane as well, and it won't feel unbalanced when combining with TG-05 sponge together. Please do not use the concept in commercial Hurricane to guess what's going on in National Hurricane. BTW, it is illegal for Chinese national team members to give their rubbers to external person. All of their used rubber sheet are required to be returned. If your friend really get a rubber from Fan Zhengdong, then the one he received is definitely not a genuine national version Hurricane. Fan Zhengdong will recieve penalty from Chinese National team if he gives national version rubber to external players.
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JacekGM
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Sorry guys, I currently play Hurricane 3 Neo on FH. How does this discussion affects me? What should I learn from it?
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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glanden.zheng
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It's not on one count that the CNT had given rubbers out, I've heard plenty more stories of people receiving rubbers from the CNT. So you're saying that by ripping the rubber off Fan Zhendong's OWN bat, FZD himself is using a fake rubber? And actually no, it doesn't seem like "any people who trained a little bit table tennis" know that the national players have changed sponges after 2008, at least not to TENERGY sponges, because there clearly is a lot of sarcasm and disbelief loaded into the comments on this thread by users who's played for 20, maybe 30+ years; because what you're suggesting is completely bizarre. Seriously, changing to Tenergy sponges? You are also clearly ignoring the picture of the sponge by Ma Lin that I've linked you; that sponge is not porous whatsoever, just like the sponge my friend's received from FZD. It's just too, too hard to believe.
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DistantStar
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If you like it (doubt it tho), nothing :) But do know that commercial DHS rubber is used by ZERO professional players. IMO they suck d!ck |
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Not much. First, don't expect provincial version would be dramatically better than the regular H3 Neo. Second, don't buy any national versions, because 1. To me they are too pricy, not really worth the money. 2. In OP's theory, all of them are fake. So if you like your H3 Neo, then keep using it. If you hate it, don't expect you will like more expensive versions which are available to you. |
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Timo Hu
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Ok. Fang Zhengdong give your friend commercial version of Hurricane does not mean himself play commercial version Hurricane in formal match. In addition, the information I disclose here is what I know about the policy in Chinese National team. I'm not forbid you to buy those so called "National Version Hurricane online". If you really wanna spend $80 or $100 to buy these so called "National Version Hurricane", just go ahead. That's your freedom, and I cannot stop you from purchasing.
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glanden.zheng
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I really don't know how one's head can be so thick.
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Timo Hu
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Ok, go ahead. Buy those so called "national Hurricane" if you really support them.
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mrdoodzki
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show pictures or it's not true
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FH -- DHS Hurricane 3 BH -- Japtec Experience HAPPINESS is....sometimes no words, just the sound of a ball |
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aroonkl
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Don't want to get into this but really could not stand the thick head coming from a fantasy world.
This is your quote ===If you work for an organization and order large quantity of Tenergy sponge from Butterfly, they will sell them to you. Butterfly just not sell Tenergy Sponge directly to individuals who wanna order cause the quantity individuals need is too small. There is no reason to say Butterfly is stupid cause they are doing their business with a country, which is more profitable than just sell one to two sheet of Tenergy to individuals. That is economic of scale.=== Do you know how much Tenergy will sell more if all CNTs use Tenergy? Do you really think Buttefly cares about making money from 1000 sponges/year to CNT team. What sale does it loose, as in the world stage CNTs are using H3 on FH to beat Tenergy players! May be loosing (or not gaining ) sale 100,000 sheets/year? It might be only your smart company who sell your Best Weapon for enemy to use against you. You tried to quote as business-wise "order large quantity" "economic of scale". But commonsense is childish.
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aroonkl
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There were times when CNT players peeled rubbers out and gave to the others as gift. So you meant they played commercials in their critical tournaments? I remembered read one with pictures here as Ma Lin did it. There was also pictures in mytt here shew a bucket that packed with discard rubbers from some major world tournament. It was meant to recycle something. In the pics, there were many H3 blue sponges disposed. ====BTW, it is illegal for Chinese national team members to give their rubbers to external person. All of their used rubber sheet are required to be returned. If your friend really get a rubber from Fan Zhengdong, then the one he received is definitely not a genuine national version Hurricane. Fan Zhengdong will recieve penalty from Chinese National team if he gives national version rubber to external players.====
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vutiendat1337
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no offense but OP sounds like he's full of it. A very close friend of mine once played with a h3neo national used by Shang Kun. that he got from his reliable source. On that note, he said it was hard as bricks and damn too difficult to play with. I saw it with my own eyes and the sponge looked nothing like tenergy porous sponge. The topsheet was not glossy at all. My friend is a 2350 player and has been around the US table tennis since he was a kid. I will trust him over some random Timo Hu with BS stories anytime.
I also know a former Chinese Superleague player, though in lower divisions. I just saw him 2 weeks ago at a tournament, which he won. I saw his paddle, obviously hurricane with typical orange sponge. I didn't ask if it's provincial or national but it was nothing like tenergy sponge.
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mrdoodzki
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just a thought....the op is trying to make a statement without any solid evidence to show us here in the forum. if he cant show any evidence to back up his claim, maybe he shouldn't have posted his claim at all.
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kprimorac
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"The genuine National Version Hurricane rubbers use the sponge from the Butterfly Tenergy series spring sponge (The sponge was Butterfly Bryce version sponge, but has been changed since speed glue became illegal since late 2008). The rubber they use is a high quality rubber, which is also different from the ordinary version of Hurricane, not so sticky like ordinary version"
this statement is not true, during the World Championship Paris last year, there was a french guy who helped CNT for logistic, at the end of the tournament, he received some rubbers from ZJK as gift for his supports, he put on sale in this post in french forum : http://www.tennis-de-table.com/forums/sujet-57186-2.html on the page 2, you can find the pics that I copied the link below, it has nothing to do with BTY sponge : Mardi 21 Mai 2013 16:12 http://hpics.li/7e6dce5 http://hpics.li/75902f0 http://hpics.li/3694745 http://hpics.li/90a8d79 personnally, I played with H3 commercial version for 1 year before buying from Singody and prott NAT NEO Untuned version, I can confirm that it has better quality, more spin, more speed without boosting Just my 2 cents. |
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Good read, was funny, LOL.
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glanden.zheng
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Thanks to all. Unless you can post pictures, "Timo Hu", please stop embarrassing yourself
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glanden.zheng
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Yes; I probably will. Meanwhile you can wishfully dream of Hurricane rubbers with blue Tenergy sponges that never existed. Edit: FZD Hurricane sponge: https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/10154143_10152414965923735_4141131375914824895_n.jpg
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Timo Hu
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Ok, I will post pictures after I get them from my uncle's cellphone in August after I meet with him. BTW, there's no need to get some of your friends to help you leave your predetermined comments here. Even you do tricky like this, there's no way to change the truth that current on sale National Hurricane is counterfeit.
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DistantStar
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Hummm, without knowing too much fact about the Original topic myself, this particular argument is flawed though. Look no further than Samsung supplying apple with flash memory, or LG supplying apple with LCD screens for example of this kind of relationship. Butterfly can charge as much as T05 for each sponge. Since Nat rubbers aren't a commercial product, cost and commercial viability isn't a concern for DHS. Again, I'm not saying Timo Hu is right. I'm saying it's POSSIBLE that he is right, as opposed to your logic |
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cole_ely
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I don't believe that every national team player uses the same type of rubber, no matter how good it is. That just isn't consistent with my experiences with individuals. I think the top players get to tinker and choose whatever they want.
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cole_ely
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Also, why would they be using a pretuned tenergy sponge with bottom sealed? I think they have their own ways of boosting. Who attaches the h3 tops, dhs or butterfly? Wouldn't that make it illegal, since boosting has to be done by the factory.
So much of this just doesn't add up.
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Actually it is very common in CNT to select their preferred rubber in top and then use another brand of sponge in the bottom. It is not illegal to do boosting independently from factory. Just like Wang Hao, his backhand use sriver's rubber in the top but Bryce sponge in the bottom. That's all specially designed for them.
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cole_ely
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Yes, but the original post read to me like EVERY national team h3 uses the same tenergy sponge.
I can see them using it if it's dry, but why would they want the factory tune in there if they have their own tune? I can see more a situation where they would buy a block of the sponge dry then cut it to taste and tune it to taste. In which case they're buying select tops from dhs and then a block of sponge from bfly...probably more than 1 type.
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Timo Hu stated:
"Ok, I will post pictures after I get them from my uncle's cellphone in August after I meet with him." ======================= Just ask him to email you the pictures. You don't have to wait until August.
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It is not? Are you sure? ITTF specifically forbids any physical or chemical treatment outside of factory. Whether they can enforce it or not is a completely different issue
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So the CNT uses Butterfly SpinArt. Good to know.
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Timo Hu
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I'm pretty sure CNT members' rubber sheet are combination. There must be some treaty available beyond the ITTF policy.
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