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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote koshkin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/24/2018 at 3:49pm
Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

"As far as the price goes, prior to this I had to pay $100 per sheet to get these bootlegged out of some pro's bag."

Koshkin, as the release date is pushed back and therefore some will the reviews, do you care to list some differences between your $100 sheets and the regular 05?  

Honestly, it is pretty close to what T05 was when it first came out.  The first T05 I saw had a distinctly harder feel, but that all changed about 6 months into it.  

The harder sponge sheet I am using now on the FH seems to have the same exact topsheet as a regular T05, but the sponge is notably harder.  If regular T05 is 36deg on Butterfly's scale, the one I am using is probably in the 40-42deg range.  The sponge is still fairly springy, so it is easy to make spin and it is pretty fast.  It is a little less springy on soft contact, so pushing is easier. Spin on loops of all sorts is excellent if you can brush the ball.  In that regard, it is a little more linear than regular T05, but not drastically different.  It works about the same for me on slow loops, but I have better feedback and control on big loops.

The biggest difference is with counterlooping and over the table active blocking.  My passive blocks stink and since I play with a soft blade, I just try to cover the ball a little, so I can re-direct it with a little spin.  The hard sponge gives me really good feedback for that shot.  Jut better feel.

With counterlooping, off the table, it is not drastically different from regular 05.  Over the table, it is more confidence inspiring for me.  It is really amazing in how it deals with incoming spin.  I can basically ignore what's on it and focus on getting proper contact.  It completely overpowers what is coming in and sends the ball back over the net low and super spinny with a correspondingly low bounce on the other side of the table.

Opening against underspin is generally similar to regular T05 as well.

Arguably the biggest difference is with serves.  I have a very hard time keeping the serve short or even half-long with regular T05.  With the hard sponge version, half-long serves that either barely clear the table or have a second bounce right on the white line are pretty controllable.

I do not have much to say about smashing, since I do not smash on the FH very much and when I do, I flip the racket to T25 I have on the BH.

I have only been able to get these in red, so I can not comment on how the black sheet behaves.

When I get the new T05 Hard, I will look at both colors (I pre-ordered two sheets) and will also try it on the BH, so I will have more to say about how it punches and loops over the table.

My game is generally very uncomplicated:  I have a good serve and a very heavy opener off of both sides.  My rallying skills are not great, so I strive to finish the point on the 4th or 5th ball. Either with a BH punch or FH powerloop.

On service returns, I drop or push the the FH.  
With the BH, I can do pretty much anything I want (drop, push, loop, chiquita, etc), so all the people I normally play with try to make sure I get to hit as few backhands as possible in a match.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/24/2018 at 3:59pm
great detailed review Koshkin,  I think the 05 hard will be interesting if it  plays like the sheets you have.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote taczkid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/24/2018 at 4:49pm
Sheets that Koshin has are fake, or better original sheets of T05 with some sort of booster that someone applied and is selling them PRO Tenergy or National Tenergy lol
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mickael Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/24/2018 at 5:00pm
Guys you are ignoring one major improvement! The durability :)
Imagine how much the sponge would last. T 05 lasted a long time now with T 05H it would take forever!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote taczkid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/24/2018 at 5:02pm
Someone commented that I am a kid - I love that comment
I really hate ppl like you- why because u have no interest in this post... rather you have just nothing to do than sit and read and post retarded comments totally not on the subject but its ok hope u get paid by butterfly
And just to answer why I get mad about release pushed a month away, is because a company like butterfly should have all their ends tied together before announcing anything. (shiping, tweaks etc).
Be late with flowers for your wife 1 month and you will understand, or be late on credit card payment a month....lol

Anyhow, going back to Tenergy rubbers... Cant wait to get my hands on this Hard version! Just wished Butterfly would make a totally new rubbers similar to High speed Bryce, rasanter etc with thin topsheet and larger sponge rather than just giving us harder sponge...
I'm sure there will be 64Hard, 80Hard & 25hard very soon...
Who knows maybe XtraHard will be in 2 years. Tenergy as claimed by butterfly was developed/in process for 10 years, so since it came out in 2008 I was thinking that 2018 will be the launch of a totally new rubber by butterfly... But instead it took them 10 years to develop harder sponge   
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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

great detailed review Koshkin,  I think the 05 hard will be interesting if it  plays like the sheets you have.

I'll know in November when T05H finally shows up.

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Originally posted by taczkid taczkid wrote:


And just to answer why I get mad about release pushed a month away, is because a company like butterfly should have all their ends tied together before announcing anything. (shiping, tweaks etc).
 

This is so spectacularly stupid, it is funny.

Have you ever worked for a company that makes physical products?  If the delay is only one month, they are way ahead of the curve.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/25/2018 at 5:31am
The release date has always been November 1st. Butterfly Online screwed that up. Strictly speaking, they are not Butterfly. They are only the distributor for North America. The company behind it is Bowmar Sports.

Outside Japan, Butterfly only have offices in China, South Korea, Germany and Thailand.
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Looks like butterfly just changed their Release date/available date on their butterflyonline.com website yet again:
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Originally posted by taczkid taczkid wrote:

Looks like butterfly just changed their Release date/available date on their butterflyonline.com website yet again:
Ouch...
Ahead of the curve, I think not. 
Only video games can be allowed delays, this is just a 2008 rubber with a harder sponge and the same imprint as Rozena/Bryce HS.
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Only video games can be allowed delays
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That hit where it hurts.
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That doesn't necessarily mean the official release date has changed. It could be due to a delay in the arrival of shipment.  That's pretty frequent of a problem for items arriving by container from another country (as opposed to just truck shipping within the US).  Of course, for those of us in the USA, that doesn't help -- we still aren't getting the rubber in November.
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Originally posted by taczkid taczkid wrote:

Someone commented that I am a kid - I love that comment
I really hate ppl like you- why because u have no interest in this post... rather you have just nothing to do than sit and read and post retarded comments totally not on the subject but its ok hope u get paid by butterfly
And just to answer why I get mad about release pushed a month away, is because a company like butterfly should have all their ends tied together before announcing anything. (shiping, tweaks etc).
Be late with flowers for your wife 1 month and you will understand, or be late on credit card payment a month....lol

I can understand why you don't like being called a kid, but you're not doing yourself any favors with a post like this: "hate people like you" and "retarded comments" aren't the kinds of things that gain respect.  One of the ways that people can seem like kids (regardless of whether they actually one) is emotional, angry responses rather than thought out answers.

And I 'm sure none of us are happy about the push back on availability, but it really is a normal part of business.  It is much more rare to see announcements exactly line up with reality.
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Originally posted by purpletiesto purpletiesto wrote:

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Only video games can be allowed delays
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That hit where it hurts.
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Haha :D true though but hits hard
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O wow Platinum Members reply. How about you reply to the original post and if you have nothing else to say then just don't...
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So sounds like Butterfly is trying to emulate the success of Chinese rubber, especially the DHS Hurricane 3.  So people used to call China copy cat who pumps out cheap low quality stuff, what would you call Butterfly in this case?  Copy cat that copies cheap copy cat (no pun intended).  Tongue
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T05hard is not emulation of H3/H3NEO and not the same like all new generation tensors (e.g. omega7asia, rhyzer) with hard sponge and soft topshit. It's has catapult, but you need to hit hard, very hard to get all potential of this rubber.
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I just noticed that T05 hard is listed on the teessport website.
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Originally posted by Tinykin Tinykin wrote:

I just noticed that T05 hard is listed on the teessport website.

Delivery expected w/c 12th November.  Hope you're all saving your pennies!
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https://www.megaspin.net/store/default.asp?pid=b-tenergy-05-hard

Seems it's up for sale at Megaspin now.
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"$80 that Butterfly Online wants is a bargain. "

$80 for a sheet of rubber is not a bargain.

That's a ridiculous amount of money for a sheet of rubber. For that price that rubber better serve you breakfast in bed!

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Just ordered a piece of T05 Hard (my curiosity was too big Wink). 
In red it is already available at my local store. Black will arrive next week.
Price here in Germany is 59,90€ (round about 69 USD) +shipping.
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I was tempted to order but passed. I don't boost and I believe T05 Hard is meant to be boosted even though Butterfly would never say that . The only real complaint I heard about T05 was that it got too soft when boosted.

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Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:

Just ordered a piece of T05 Hard (my curiosity was too big Wink). 
In red it is already available at my local store. Black will arrive next week.
Price here in Germany is 59,90€ (round about 69 USD) +shipping.

May I ask where did you buy it?
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Originally posted by jpenmaster jpenmaster wrote:

I was tempted to order but passed. I don't boost and I believe T05 Hard is meant to be boosted even though Butterfly would never say that . The only real complaint I heard about T05 was that it got too soft when boosted.

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Originally posted by mischasln mischasln wrote:

Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:

Just ordered a piece of T05 Hard (my curiosity was too big Wink). 
In red it is already available at my local store. Black will arrive next week.
Price here in Germany is 59,90€ (round about 69 USD) +shipping.
May I ask where did you buy it?
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I will test T05 hard Thursday and make a report. Actually, it costs about 8000Yens, that is far less than 100$. I mounted this T05 hard on Timo Boll CAF. For BH, I glue Tibhar MXP. 
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I just got an e-mail from ButterflyOnline that there is a package coming my way.  I assume that is the two sheets for T05 Hard I pre-ordered, so I should have some impressions next week.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tinykin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/31/2018 at 5:56pm
Let's have  a race.
First with a review gets a thank youSmile
First with a video review gets a very big thank you.Thumbs Up
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Yes, I love the idea of a video review

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