Alex Table Tennis - MyTableTennis.NET Homepage
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Newbie: What should I get?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Newbie: What should I get?

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
officelurker View Drop Down
Member
Member


Joined: 08/27/2012
Status: Offline
Points: 2
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote officelurker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Newbie: What should I get?
    Posted: 08/27/2012 at 2:53pm
First post ever! I have been playing TT on and off since childhood. I am now 34! I have never looked into getting new blades or even balls. I always just stuck with what came at the big box retail store or with the table. 

I ventured out to Alex Table Tennis today and to say I was over whelmed would be an under statement. So many blades and rubbers to choose from. 

I basically need to rackets. 

I might also get the iPong robot for training. 

So I need your recommendations. What blade should I get and what rubber?
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
frogger View Drop Down
Premier Member
Premier Member
Avatar

Joined: 08/03/2010
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 3062
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote frogger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/27/2012 at 3:26pm
 Welcome officelurker to the great sport of table tennis. Any quality medium speed blade and rubbers is best. Usually 5 ply blade and rubber thickness of 1.5-1.9mm. Classic rubbers like Mark V, Sriver, Mendo, etc are best for learning the basics. After you have a defined "style" then you can change to your own preferences. Stay clear of fast blades and rubbers, some here give bad advice for beginners. Blades in the ALL or ALL+ range are best. Stay away from Tensor rubbers or rubbers that produce high spin-speed as these are not forgiving to beginners. For a great budget setup check out colestt.com great prices and great service. Thumbs Up
Wood Paddle
Red side
Black side.


Back to Top
Vihito View Drop Down
Super Member
Super Member
Avatar

Joined: 06/28/2011
Location: Bulgaria
Status: Offline
Points: 262
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Vihito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/27/2012 at 3:41pm
a coach
Back to Top
berkeleydoctor View Drop Down
Silver Member
Silver Member
Avatar

Joined: 01/06/2010
Location: California
Status: Offline
Points: 699
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote berkeleydoctor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/27/2012 at 4:02pm
tenergy tenergy tenergy

**trolllllll alert
Back to Top
mjamja View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member


Joined: 05/30/2009
Status: Offline
Points: 2895
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mjamja Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/27/2012 at 4:35pm
A little followup on Colestt.
 
Check out the "Pre-made Buster" blade and rubber combo offer.  With the medium speed blade (R2 I think) and the 1.8 or 2.0 Dawei Super 2008 XP you can have a great starter racket for a very reasonable price. 
 
If you are more advanced you might like the Dawei Matrix blade with 2.0 Dawei IQUL rubber.  This would be a faster set-up, but would not have near as much control as the "Pre-made Buster" setup.  Probably best to stay with the "Pre-made Buster" option unless you plan on getting some coaching to help you gain the control you need to use the faster set-up.
 
Cole is very good about answering e-mails if you have any questions. 
 
 
Mark - A satisfied Coles customer.
Back to Top
berkeleydoctor View Drop Down
Silver Member
Silver Member
Avatar

Joined: 01/06/2010
Location: California
Status: Offline
Points: 699
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote berkeleydoctor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/27/2012 at 6:01pm
jokes aside, +1 for the Dawei IQUL rubber, it's a great beginner rubber, bc once you're used to the speed it can be your main rubber for many stages of improvement
Back to Top
assiduous View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Avatar

Joined: 05/01/2011
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2521
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote assiduous Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/27/2012 at 6:36pm
you should buy my primorac for $35 and my two Blitz rubbers with 1 hour on them for $20.

What you should NOT buy, regardless of what you are advised here:

any blade slower than my primorac, unless you plan on being a chopper

any rubber less than 2.0

any chinese rubber.
puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
Back to Top
bluebucket View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member


Joined: 02/20/2011
Location: 16
Status: Offline
Points: 2882
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bluebucket Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/27/2012 at 10:12pm
Or better yet,

Don't use any blade faster than a Primorac
Don't use any rubber at or over 2.0mm
Don't use any Tensor

A soft all or all+ blade is the go, 1.8mm rubber is the real deal for you. I would second the R2 and Dawei 2008.
Back to Top
the_theologian View Drop Down
Premier Member
Premier Member
Avatar

Joined: 01/11/2009
Location: U.S.
Status: Offline
Points: 3895
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote the_theologian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/27/2012 at 10:21pm
lol... you just can't help it can you bluebucket? :)
 
blades: Dawei R2 (too fast really but good and cheap), Sweden Classic, OSP Expert, Appelgren Allplay, Yinhe W-6
rubbers: IQUL 1.8mm, 729 FX Super Soft 1.8mm, 2008xp 1.8mm (hard sponge but a good cheap choice), Donic Vario 1.8mm
Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
Back to Top
silva7 View Drop Down
Silver Member
Silver Member
Avatar

Joined: 03/14/2012
Location: New Zealand
Status: Offline
Points: 693
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote silva7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/27/2012 at 10:30pm
i think a Yasaka Sweden Classic or any 5 ply blade like an Avalox P500 / BT 555
as for rubbers i prefer Mark V over Sriver. 2.0mm
just do not buy the most expensive equipment out there when you are starting out.
Mark V and Sriver are great starter rubbers. you can try friendship 729 rubbers too. i would use Friendship 729 rubbers if the shipping did not cost more than the products...
RSM Special Platinum T64
Back to Top
watchski View Drop Down
Super Member
Super Member
Avatar

Joined: 08/11/2012
Location: Alpharetta, GA
Status: Offline
Points: 185
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote watchski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/27/2012 at 10:42pm
i agree with the primorac..i think a timo boll all + may be decent..they are about 59 dollars... you can get a decent blade..keep in mind..the rubber is where you can save your money..they range from 7 dollars to about 80 dollars per side... go with a good control rubber...and learn the game..slowly increase the speed..and change the rubbers...eventually you can get a faster blade...   
Blades:
Ross Leidy (Nemesis)
Ross Leidy (Canxan)
Ross Leidy (Rapscallion)
Infinity VPS

Rubbers:
Nittaku S-1
Tenergy 80FX 1.9mm
Back to Top
Lestat View Drop Down
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: 01/16/2012
Location: UK
Status: Offline
Points: 421
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lestat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/27/2012 at 11:23pm
Yasaka Extra or Stiga Energy Wood + Rakza 7 Soft in 1.9. That's what I would start with.

When I started off some years ago I went for Boll Tricarbon cause it was the nicest looking blade in the shop, and speed-glued Andro Plasma. That was just so wrong. I wish somebody was there to poke me in the head with it, and then show me the 'good stuff'.
Back to Top
BH-Man View Drop Down
Premier Member
Premier Member
Avatar

Joined: 02/05/2007
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 5042
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BH-Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/28/2012 at 3:14am
We seem to have such a thread every two months. If the OP can't use the search function and see the two million recommendations, I recommend he buy a BTY Schager carbon and equip it with Stiga Calibra LT Plus on both sides.
Korea Foreign Table Tennis Club
Search for us on Facebook: koreaforeignttc
Back to Top
officelurker View Drop Down
Member
Member


Joined: 08/27/2012
Status: Offline
Points: 2
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote officelurker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/28/2012 at 9:55am
Thank you all so much. 

Edited by officelurker - 08/28/2012 at 9:56am
Back to Top
chopchopslam View Drop Down
Silver Member
Silver Member
Avatar

Joined: 09/28/2011
Location: Iowa
Status: Offline
Points: 703
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chopchopslam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/28/2012 at 10:15am
The Daweii R2 blade in the premade buster setup from Cole is actually quite a fast blade for a beginner. I have both the R2 and the ALL version (DW2 I think?) and I definitely prefer the slower blade.
Butterfly Grubba Pro
Tenergy 80
National Team Pogo LP .6mm
Back to Top
AndySmith View Drop Down
Premier Member
Premier Member
Avatar

Joined: 11/12/2008
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 4378
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AndySmith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/28/2012 at 10:19am
Blade - Donic Appelgren Allplay.  Great first blade, good enough for your first 2-3 years, if not forever.
 
Rubbers - CJ8000 on Quattro Sponge (from Cole), or Mark V, or IQUL.
 
No tensors, no tenergy, no carbon - keep it simple.
This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
Back to Top
spin_whisperer View Drop Down
Beginner
Beginner
Avatar

Joined: 05/29/2012
Location: Virginia
Status: Offline
Points: 57
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote spin_whisperer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/28/2012 at 10:58am
Yasaka Extra with Mark V 2.0 on both sides. You can get this combo from Megaspin.net for $89.00. I think Palio HK1997 39-41 degrees on forehand and HK1997 36-38 degrees on an Galaxy W-6 would be a good choice also. HK1997 plays a lot like Sriver for only 10-12 dollars!
Equipment
H3 Provincial\Timo Boll Spirit ST/Sigma Europe
Back to Top
the_theologian View Drop Down
Premier Member
Premier Member
Avatar

Joined: 01/11/2009
Location: U.S.
Status: Offline
Points: 3895
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote the_theologian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/28/2012 at 12:41pm
Originally posted by chopchopslam chopchopslam wrote:

The Daweii R2 blade in the premade buster setup from Cole is actually quite a fast blade for a beginner. I have both the R2 and the ALL version (DW2 I think?) and I definitely prefer the slower blade.
 
DW2 is a great blade but pretty head heavy with inverted on both sides
Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
Back to Top
YosuaYosan View Drop Down
Super Member
Super Member
Avatar

Joined: 08/24/2012
Location: Jakarta
Status: Offline
Points: 140
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote YosuaYosan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/28/2012 at 3:07pm
Regarding equipment with low cost and more than decent use for your level, Sir, I would reccomend:
Blade: LKT Instinct
FH and BH: RITC 2000 Tack Speed 1.8mm or probably 1.5mm for more control. 729 FX would be awesome too.
There are lots of classic rubbers out there but those I mentioned are cheap, sturdy and time-tested.

Originally posted by Vihito Vihito wrote:

a coach

Agreed!
GFoT| Blade : ProTop Arylate FL • FH : DHS 3 NEO BLACK MAX • BH : Kokutaku 007 Inner Power Sponge RED MAX

Crossover to Takeover!
Back to Top
DistantStar View Drop Down
Super Member
Super Member
Avatar

Joined: 07/19/2012
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 275
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DistantStar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/28/2012 at 3:38pm
Just curious, how come everyone suggest no tensor? I find my donic barracuda very easy to loop with, much easier than the non-tensor Skyline 3. It's pretty beginner friendly IMO.
Nittaku Acoustic
Xiom Sigma Euro 2.0
Tibhar Genius Sound 2.0
Back to Top
chopchopslam View Drop Down
Silver Member
Silver Member
Avatar

Joined: 09/28/2011
Location: Iowa
Status: Offline
Points: 703
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote chopchopslam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/28/2012 at 5:48pm
I can't believe people still recommend a 1.5mm sponge for beginners. The guy is going to want to learn to spin the ball hard and loop, right? Stick with 1.8mm for a minimum, or even 2.0 is fine. With a 1.5mm sponge, sure you'll have lots of blocking control, but you will also have very little dwell time for looping.
Butterfly Grubba Pro
Tenergy 80
National Team Pogo LP .6mm
Back to Top
frogger View Drop Down
Premier Member
Premier Member
Avatar

Joined: 08/03/2010
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 3062
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote frogger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/28/2012 at 10:24pm
 In all my years of coaching I have found different levels of the term "beginner". Some of these people including children just have a hard enough time getting the ball over the net. Others depending on age/prior experience progress at a faster rate so there is no exact set-up, just approximate general guidlines to follow to ensure success. No Tenergy's, No Tensors, No fast set-ups period! 1.5mm is not unreasonable for children. Yes to learn looping at least 1.8mm-2.0mm is a must, but must be a soft forgiving rubber to learn with. Once in awhile you get phenom that within a short period of time can handle the faster equipment...every beginner is different.
Wood Paddle
Red side
Black side.


Back to Top
jinlai View Drop Down
Super Member
Super Member
Avatar

Joined: 12/21/2011
Location: Malaysia
Status: Offline
Points: 240
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jinlai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/28/2012 at 10:57pm
Originally posted by officelurker officelurker wrote:

First post ever! I have been playing TT on and off since childhood. I am now 34! I have never looked into getting new blades or even balls. I always just stuck with what came at the big box retail store or with the table. 

I ventured out to Alex Table Tennis today and to say I was over whelmed would be an under statement. So many blades and rubbers to choose from. 

I basically need to rackets. 

I might also get the iPong robot for training. 

So I need your recommendations. What blade should I get and what rubber?


Go for All-round or Off- blade and medium speed rubbers. Some recommendations:
1. Blade - Stiga NCT offensive, Butterfly Petr Korbel, Yasaka Offensive Extra, Donic Powerplay Allround, Xiom allround and DHS P8. Try to get a blade that weight around 85gms, anything more than 90gms is too heavy
2. Rubber - Stiga Magna, Butterfly Sriver EL, Yasaka Mark V AD, Donic Acude S2/S3, Xiom Zeta Asian and Vega Europe.

Hope this info will be sufficient for you to make a decision.

Back to Top
MrScience101 View Drop Down
Super Member
Super Member
Avatar

Joined: 07/12/2012
Location: USA TN
Status: Offline
Points: 143
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MrScience101 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/29/2012 at 8:50pm
Do you have a coach?  If so, wait and talk to him.  He will tell you what kind of paddle to get. 

If you do not have a coach, go to a local club and talk to the members about it, they might even let you try their blade out.  Or not, I know I don't let anyone touch my blade (coach's orders).

My recommendation would be an Avalox p500 from alphatabletennis.com with either Mark V (max rubber size) or Sriver (in my opinion a bit more powerful than Mark V, but a bit more expensive too) Max (rubber size).  Avalox p500 is what the China national team has used for years to start training intermediate players. 

Meet with your coach, and or club first.  You might be advanced enough to actually start using more advanced rubbers like Boost TX, Tenergy 05, or Calibra LT.

If you want to try a somewhat more advanced, but cheap paddle I have been beaten several times by a racket that had 729 rubber on both sides and cost a total of 65 dollars.  It is a guy at our club that makes em, and I would suspect there is a guy like that at most clubs.

And confound it Assidious, I just spent 55 dollars on a used primorac.  Where were you yesterday???  That's a good deal for 35 dollars if it is in good condition, you could get that blade too.  For 55 bucks you would have a decent starter bat.

Also, I pong are Lowsy robots.  A newgy is the cheapest most decent robot out there right now.


Edited by MrScience101 - 08/29/2012 at 9:12pm
Back to Top
pnachtwey View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Avatar

Joined: 03/09/2010
Location: Vancouver, WA
Status: Offline
Points: 2035
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pnachtwey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/29/2012 at 9:47pm
I like Frogger's idea of IQUL SV.   1.8mm for the BH and 2mm for the FH but IQUL 1.8 Reg for the FH will work too.  In the past I would recommend the LKT Instinct paddles but they are too cheap.   Paddles are forever so I would spend the money to get a good ALL+.
The All+ Avalox or Donic blades would be a good choice.  Don't buy cheap paddles.   I did and now I am giving them away or they are in a drawer.

I like my Samsonov Alphas.   They are OFF-  but they are keepers. 

I agree with the statement above that 1.5mm is too thin.  One can loop with 1.8mm but 1.5 bottoms out too easily and the ball then goes into the net.  1.8mm is just right but then the rubber must be firm enough so it doesn't bottom out.   If the sponge is very soft I would recommend 2mm.


Back to Top
decoi View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member
Avatar

Joined: 09/25/2011
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Status: Offline
Points: 1375
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote decoi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/29/2012 at 10:24pm
Originally posted by DistantStar DistantStar wrote:

Just curious, how come everyone suggest no tensor? I find my donic barracuda very easy to loop with, much easier than the non-tensor Skyline 3. It's pretty beginner friendly IMO.

completely different rubbers by the way
Blade: DHS Hurricane Hao
FH: TG3 BS
BH: Xiom Omega 4 Aisa

Blade: Hurricane Hao 2 (656)
Fh: Dhs Gold Arc 3
Bh: Stiga Tour H
http://www.youtube.com/user/decoyla?feature=mhee
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.01
Copyright ©2001-2018 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.173 seconds.

Become a Fan on Facebook Follow us on Twitter Web Wiz News
Forum Home | Go to the Forums | Forum Help | Disclaimer

MyTableTennis.NET is the trading name of Alex Table Tennis Ltd.

Copyright ©2003-2024 Alex Table Tennis Ltd. All rights reserved.