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Peter C
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Rokphish
Both APW46 and I, have received the blade as well. I also received the Oscar and posted a review on that blade, yesterday. The initial review for the Color, is likely to be posted in the next three days. |
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APW46
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I would like some more time before writing my review, I am testing the blade with different rubber setups, and I personally don't get to know a blade for at least 2 weeks.
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Rich215
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No offense guys...but all your Nexy Review posts are filled with back and forth blah blah blah stuff ......you should repost an actual review(s) that one can read easily after you take the time to use the product and can make it more clear and visible to those looking to read an actual review.
Or are you going to do that after some time when you can get all the reviewers on the same page? |
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JimT
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I am updating my first posts with reviews almost every time after I have had another practice with the blade. |
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rokphish
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For OFFICIAL & PROFESSIONAL pictures of NEXY COLOR blade please look here:
http://www.tak9.com/mall.php?cat=006001000&query=view&no=3312 Below is my amateur attempt of blade�s pictures. The blade comes in a dark blue box and the rubber also comes in a dark blue box-like packaging. The blade was tagged at 91gr but when I weighed it, the scale shows 88.65gr for the blade. And it certainly felt on the heavier side. Front Back Nifty design Closer look at the top ply (back of blade) 5 ply: Hinoki � Spruce � Ayous � Spruce - Hinoki Mr. Moon in the package noted that the blade top is Hinoki while the second-fourth ply is Spruce. I�m going to assume it�s not Kiso Hinoki because with other blades with Kiso Hinoki top, they proudly say (usually on the blade itself) that it is Kiso Hinoki being used. He didn't say about the core but I'd say it's Ayous. I had email him to ask for more detail on the blade construction and still waiting for his answer. (UPDATE: Mr. Moon replied and confirmed that the top is indeed Kiso Hinoki and the core is Ayous. He also noted that he used selected Spruce for the blade. In short he invested in using high grade wood for the blade.) T-Section Front Handle Front Lens Back Handle Back Lens Emblem When I received the blade, looking at it and reading the note Mr. Moon put in the package my mind immediately thought about one blade in my collection which I could compare it with, XIOM Jazz. Unfortunately the XIOM Jazz even though the top is the same Kiso Hinoki, the second-fourth ply is Koto, while the core is also the same Ayous. I looked through my collection but couldn't find any with the same construction Hinoki-Spruce-Ayous, so I thought I pulled out Jazz nevertheless. Then I found out that both blades thickness is about the same. Not only that the thickness of each plies are also about the same. Color vs Jazz So, even though the second-fourth ply is different, I'm going to compare them both nevertheless. I thought about my other blade with Hinoki top, Butterfly Jonyer Hinoki but thought that it�s too thin and too flexible to compare with. Beside, I still couldn�t find confirmation about the construction of Jonyer. Some say it�s a 5 ply all Hinoki, some said the second-fourth to be Spruce. Perhaps some of you REALLY know and could tell me, that would be good. Here�s the look of the Jonyer: Also, I plan to compare it with my primary HK, of course. HK construction is Koto-Spruce-Ayous-Spruce-Koto. Color vs HK C07 Actually it would be more fitting for me to compare it with the new HK 655 because the thickness of one of my 655 is the same as Color & Jazz. Color vs HK 655 But if I do that I�ll adding a new blade in the mix, one that I haven�t been playing with, so I think I�ll stay with my initial comparison setup for the time being: Color-Jazz-HK (older version). Mr. Moon told me that Dexter is similar to the Color but has more speed. So I�m going to assume that the Color is in the ALL+/OFF- range, which is about the same range as the Jazz, perhaps a little slower than the HK. But due to the weight of the Color it might turned out to be a faster than JAZZ and might trail close to the HK. Here are some comparison pictures of Color with other blade with spruce second-fourth ply: Color vs XIOM Aria Color vs Aria Offensive Classic vs Color vs HK 655 Another take: HK 655 vs Color vs OC Okay, back to Color� Bad news (kind of) for those who abhor sealing their blades. The paint job on the blade is quite thick and unfortunately it�s on the playing area part of the blade. Others who received the COLOR blade could confirm this by looking closer and rubbing of finger on on-off the paint job. I tried to show this on the picture below as best as I could. Paint job You could see faintly the raised paint job of the red paint on the left next to the second black botch. But you can see more clearly the raised surface on the overlap of the word Color over the red paint especially on the letter O and R. Now, let me tell you this. I seal all my blades with 1-2-3 very thin layers and haven�t regretted any of them. I personally have sealed more than 60 blades already and so far I only see benefits and none of the shortcomings some of them say about sealing. Those whose blades I sealed haven�t complained either. So in this case I have no worry whatsoever about the raised surface of the paint job on the front of the blade. I personally think that it will not affect play whatsoever. Just thought I pointed it out for those who really hate sealing of the blades. Smeared The paint job (or whatever) on the head of the blade leaves some faint marks on the head of the blade like when you seal the blade and accidentally brush the head with your hand and smear the seal (look at the upper left part of the picture above), but it's a very minor and I'm nitpicking. Only noticeable visible when looking at the blade at an angle. I might get a bad copy of the blade. Again, not a big problem at all. I have to say that I�m quite impressed; the blade finish is excellent through out. Certainly one of the best finishing blades there is. Here are Color & Jazz back to back The Color's handle is longer, wider at the bottom (flare part), more rounded overall, thinner at the body/neck area, but thicker compare to Jazz. Jazz' handle is more square(-ish), but wider throughout the handle length albeit a bit thinner. Bottom of the handle bears the NEXY silver emblem much like Butterfly�s. XIOM�s bears some sort of serial numbers. Emblem Here�s the table for blades dimensions according to my sample. Please go to the official website for more accurate/detail info on the COLOR blade. COLOR JAZZ HK handle length 10.15cm 10cm 10.15cm handle thickness 2.6cm 2.45cm 2.5cm bottom width (flare) 3.55cm 3.45cm 3.5cm head length 15.7cm 15.2cm 15.8cm head width 15cm 14.85cm 15.1cm head thickness 6.1-6.2mm 6.1-6.2mm 5.5mm Weight 88.65g 82.90g 89.70g Mr. Moon noted that his tag of 91gr is accurate. My digital scale is only a home-grade use for my Dad�s Chinese medicine stuff and not factory grade scale like Mr. Moon�s scale. So please adjust the above noted weights by 2-3gr. I�m having a small tournament this Sunday so I decided not to play with the blade and rubber even though my hands are already itching to give them a try. Sigh� I will start playing with blade on Monday and will be playing with it and comparing for the following week or so. I�m going to write on the play/performance part starting next week so stay tuned. Cheers... |
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rokphish
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My Review here...
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JimT
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I fixed some little cosmetic stuff in your review, rokphish - hope you don't mind. Also updated my link to your post! It's all good, buddy. Thanks!
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rokphish
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Take it easy...
I admit i'm an ej.. Most have known this by now. Look at recent hurricane king 655 thread for example. All I did here was reviewing the blade's appearance. Certainly won't take anyone a month time to have impression of the blade's appearance. I said nothing about its play performance. I stated one line assumption on its speed range. I don't think it's that too far fetch at all. Even with the best regard feel blade of acoustic and violin many find their fl blades are too small to hold. I think me giving out some sort of comparison with other blades would help a little. What would you say if you find a great blade but the handle is too small or too big for you? Too wide? Too square? Even great blade but with handle that doesn't fit nicely to our preference i'm sure we wouldn't like it. I know you can find the blade's pictures and dimensions on the official website and i did give the link to that. If you browse through my older postings you'll find many pictures of blades by me. Also older reviews. Just my style. No surprises there. I'll get to reviewing how the blade plays in due time... :) |
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i do like how you will compare the Color to different blades so others can relate better. the HK655 seems more fitting to compare than the old one but not many of the 655 yet. |
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Guys who got Color blade! STOP what you are doing! Don't put any rubbers on it yet. Don't repeat my mistake. I thought that the blade was factory-sealed - so smooth was the surface. And I got punished for it. As soon as I started taking my first set of rubbers off the blade, the thin outer plies of Hinoki splintered and I got damage to the blade in at least 2-3 places on every side. I got really upset - why you ask? First because it looked so beautiful before this. Second, and most important, is because I love (repeat, L-O-V-E) this blade. So you need to seal your blades right now. And then please go and read my second review - post #3 in this thread. |
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rokphish
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well... I'm not worry because I seal all my blades... learn by experience long ago...
you should take photos of the splintered areas if you would... i'm sure it's not at the painted area is it? |
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i didnt seal the face of my HK655 little pieces of wood came off and so did it splinter a little |
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Jolan
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JimT : What kind of glue do you use ?
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yeah yeah yeah me too i love it so much i doubt mine will fly to new horizons unless i am part of the trip |
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stiltt
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@rokphish: Those pics are awesome. You are a pro! What an introduction!!! I can't wait to read more about it.
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JimT
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Some of it is in the painted area as well. |
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JimT
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Galaxy Aqua Glue (bought from Cole's). It's a very nice glue but it is a bit stronger than old style rubber cement. That's why I always seal my blades. But with this one I just got confused... |
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thanks for the compliment fatt...
jim, splinter on the painted area is it because the pull from the unpainted part or actually the painted area itself splintered? i'm not sure why you got confused bud. waterbase glue + unsealed blade = disaster... |
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chris.b40
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thanks for the review rokphish
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@rokphish: let me know if I am wrong but I have in mind that what you did above with the pictures and comparison with other blades is an (impressive) introduction to the full Nexy Color review that is yet to come (?) |
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Not sure why exactly it splintered. I think it's just because the outer layer is too thin (and soft). When I said I got confused I meant that the glossy and very smooth surface led me to believe the blade was already sealed. I was wrong, I guess... |
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thanks chris...
fatt, you're not wrong. play review coming up later. i already reserve the spot for it... jim, i just rechecked mine. it's not glossy. maybe yours is different. will wait for others who own one to comment. if indeed the blade was factory varnished apparently it was too thin to have an effect... |
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Peter C
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From experience with water glues, I've found it is easier to get splintering if : 1) you get too thick a coat of glue on the blade and rubber, which forms a stronger bond. The key is to get a very thin even coat of glue, on both the blade and rubber. I achieve that by putting some glue on the blade or rubber and then spreading it thinly and evenly, using a bit of sponge. Also make sure the glue is dried to clear, before putting the rubber on the blade, as once it becomes clear it acts like a contact glue. 2) If you glue wet, instead of allowing the glue to dry to clear, the glue doesn't have the tackiness to act like a contact glue and dries between the rubber and blade, forming a harder layer of glue, which is a pain to get off the rubber and harder to take off the blade too, which in turn increases the likelihood of splintering. Unfortunately I've learnt the lessons of getting too thick a layer of glue and not letting it dry to clear, the hard way. Regarding the Color and Oscar, both have a thin coat of varnish and I've not had any problems with splintering on either blade and I've tested two sets of rubbers, on both of them. |
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Hmm, interesting. I believe I let both layers of glue to dry a bit - for about a minute. And believe me I use very thinly spread water based glue, using a sponge...
Anyways, the next time when I am taking the ribbers off I will have to take some super-extra-careful approach - and afterwards I will clean and seal the blade, no doubt about it. By the way, i asked Mr. Moon if he could elaborate on the differences between Color and Dexter and he said that almost everything is different - thickness of layers, dimensions of the blade's face, balance etc. I assume that he still means that the wood types are the same but I am not sure... Dexter is meant to be more aggressive, balance skewed more to the face and overall construction making it a faster and stiffer blade. Hope we will get a review soon... |
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It's been a long time since i have been out. I was down sick with a little bit of cough and cold. I just got up today.
Updates on the blade. I received a Color FL 94 gms on Thursday of last week. I did try it for a small session on Thursday itself. I will give it a go once again tonight and post my review on it. First impression was ::::: WOW!!!!! |
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Jolan
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Played tonight for the first time with the "Color".
I just finished my first review onto the french forum.
Too late for doing the translation here now. I'll come back to you guys tomorrow. But yes, it's WOW !
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super! jcdi
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JimT
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Played some more with the same setup on NC (Nexy Color) - namely, Outlaw FH + Wraith BH.
Unfortunately I was in severely handicapped state (4 hours of sleep) so didn't play good. However, Color held its own and played just fine. I am still surprised at how flexible it feels - and ahinoki tells me that he doesn't want to make 5-ply blades because they would be extremely stiff from all this glue holding layers together. Seemingly, a contradiction... ? |
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I'm really sorry If offend you, but surely we are looking for a review, not an autopsy, showing close up pictures of the blade means nothing at all. you are showing nothing of importance Rokphish, please post a review, not pictures of your fingers. I cannot for the life of me see how there is a benefit of posting a serial of pictures of the blade, we know what it looks like by now, post a bloody review for gods sake.
Where is yours? I here you all say. Forth coming. Should I weigh it? seeing as its been weighed about 4 times, maybe not, should I picture it, no need, its been picture more times than needs be, I'll just write an honest review. My you guys dissapoint, I was hoping to write my review on a cusisson of yours, but you have not really wrote one yet. dread to think that you have all just took the opportunity to get a free blade....
Peter C though, good review on the other blade,
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JimT
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My friend, you are being impatient and rash here, not to mention that you jump to rather offensive conclusions somewhat easily. If you read again rokphish's posting you will see that he specifically mentioned that he had tournament on Sunday, then he intended to play with the blade during this week, and post the review after that. So ... he'll post it soon, I am sure. |
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