One Ply Hinoki

One ply Hinoki has amazing feeling, but due to its thickness, it is not flexible enough for looping. It is great for push, block and smashing.

JimT wrote: tdragon wrote: One ply Hinoki has amazing feeling, but due to its thickness, it is not flexible enough for looping. It is great for push, block and smashing. That is not exactly true. Granted, the blade itself is not flexible but a) if your rubbers are thick enough you can loop to your heart's content (just look at Ryu Seung Min!) b) softness of the blade itself helps to create an effect almost similar to flex on multi-ply blades

Yeah. You could loop with any blade even hardbat. But it is not the best blade for looping. Am I right?

I think 1ply and multiply have their pros and cons, but the main reason we choose one or the other is because of what we are used to.  If you start out with multiply blades (most if not all shakehanders/CPeners do), one ply hinoki would blade feels awkward and vice versa.  I'm testing a 1-ply now and the thickness and hardness of the blade really bother me.
I think for the same reason people choose shakehand or penhold. 

I started playing t t with multi-ply blades a few yrs ago until I was introduced to the famous KTS one ply Hinoki blade. And, kaboom! A miracle occurs to the way I play. With the help of KTS blade I can deliver the ball to the other side of the table so fast and so accurate that I feel playing like a pro. Deep inside my head I know I am still a rookie. But the KTS blade does energize me to do the ping pong game with lots of confidence. Now being a fanatic fans of the one ply Hinoki blade I have ordered other brands such as Kokutaku-Bishu no.1 Cho-Super Cho-Tokusen,  Donic-German Superbat, Blutenkirsche B4007, and TSP Dynam. And before I file for a personal bankruptcy I don't mind to try a few more such as the Butterfly Cypress Max, Xiom RSM platinum, and Darker 90. Hopefully I have the capability to review the different blades and their performances in the near future before I go nuts.

tdragon wrote: What 1ply Hinoki are you playing? 1ply Hinoki feels really soft. I wonder why you think if it is hard?

It's a Darker Tanpan I just got from a lister here (hip66.  very good seller by the way).  I only hit against my ball machine a couple of times no real game yet, and that was my first impression.  I have bryce unglued (the rubbers were also from the original owner, but I think he mentioned he glued them) on it.   Maybe it's the setup, but I felt like swinging with a brick!

So what really is 1 one ply hinoki? Defensive, allaround or offensive blade?
I'm a developing player and I'm considering on having a 1 ply 79g kiso hinoki from
butterfly then puit my fav. basic flextra rubber from butterfly also.

yeah I'm considering sriver, to put a 1 ply hinoki , but worry about the speed of the sriver it might be too fast if I put on the hinoki since my club members said I dont need a real fast blade since they say that a have a gifted fast FH, they were thinking it might overshoot and out of the table :). thats why I prefer slower rubbers. 

chu_bun wrote: tdragon wrote: What 1ply Hinoki are you playing? 1ply Hinoki feels really soft. I wonder why you think if it is hard? It's a Darker Tanpan I just got from a lister here (hip66.  very good seller by the way).  I only hit against my ball machine a couple of times no real game yet, and that was my first impression.  I have bryce unglued (the rubbers were also from the original owner, but I think he mentioned he glued them) on it.   Maybe it's the setup, but I felt like swinging with a brick!

Darker Tapan is not quite good. I read some bad reviews about it. I have played Darker Speed 90 and Juic 1Ply Hinoki. Both of them have very good soft feel. Even I put hard rubbers on them, I still could feel the soft feel.

Reasons why shakehand players players don't use 1-ply:
1. Cost. It's very expensive
2. It's thick
3. It takes a long time to get used to.
4. Cost again. By the time a player can afford a 1-ply, it's too late as he's used to some other type of blade and can't be bothered.
5. Cost again. The benefits of a 1-ply are not worth the price premium. I am willing to bet that most shake-hand users are self-confessed EJs.
Like me

as a shakehand player who likes to hit, loop and play an allround attacking game I have to say I have a GREAT memory of my experience with the Darker Speed 90 with Tenergy 05 1.9mm on the FH.

while perfect weight for single-side jpen play, 1-ply is too heavy with 2 rubbers for shakehand, especially since you need to use hard sponge (heavy) rubbers to match the soft wood.

addoydude wrote: while perfect weight for single-side jpen play, 1-ply is too heavy with 2 rubbers for shakehand, especially since you need to use hard sponge (heavy) rubbers to match the soft wood.

I don't know, dude... right now I play with that exact combo (soft 1-ply and hard rubbers), and it doesn't feel that heavy - I myself do not like very heavy setups and my current one weighs about 181 g. Weights are 89 g for the blade (WRC-10 from American Hinoki) and about 45-46 g per cut rubber.

97 g. of Hinoki blade means good wood, try to use thinner rubber.

addoydude wrote: i wish mine was only 89. mine is 97 (american hinoki, Sitka Spruce 9mm). but i'm thinking i could probably save weight by putting thinner rubbers. i currently have 2.2 but may go to 2.0 both sides.

addoydude wrote: i wish mine was only 89. mine is 97 (american hinoki, Sitka Spruce 9mm). but i'm thinking i could probably save weight by putting thinner rubbers. i currently have 2.2 but may go to 2.0 both sides.

Wow. 97grs.