Opening loops against chops problem...

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   Hi, all...

I found that cermet has more speed and spin (and lower throw) than sriver el, yet I found it's easier to make opening loops (against chops) with el rather than with cermet. Is it because of the difference in topsheet characteristic, throw angle, or am i just a dumb nut without enough skill to properly use the cermet for opening loops?

Is there a rubber with similar speed and spin as cermet (don't necessarily need faster speed n spin than cermet) with control as good or better as sriver el yet easy to make opening loops as sriver el? (assuming i'm not just a dumb nut without enough skill to use cermet for opening loops)... =)

If I'm just a dumb nut without enough skill to use cermet for opening loops, that is, you find it's as easy to make opening loops with cermet as it is with sriver el, please give me advice as to how to do so...

Because, using the same stroke i find i need to use more power to make opening loops with the cermet even then still have quite many balls hit the net instead of going over. What stroke adjustments should I do on the cermet?

A little more info, many times using the el when I make opening loops against chops, the ball goes quite high (arc wise, but not lobing) instead of just above the net as regular looping. This might be due to me opening the blade more while looping chops, correct? Since the cermet is lower throw than el, I suppose using the same stroke should be fine with cermet, that is, it should go over the net at lower arc than with el. Instead I have to exert more power (with same stroke) to make the ball over the net (if any).

I use them on Korbel blade. 

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rokphish Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Gold Member Joined: 11/27/2007 Location: Indonesia Status: Offline Points: 1924	Post Options Post Reply Quote rokphish Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Opening loops against chops problem... Posted: 03/12/2008 at 4:08am
	Hi, all... I found that cermet has more speed and spin (and lower throw) than sriver el, yet I found it's easier to make opening loops (against chops) with el rather than with cermet. Is it because of the difference in topsheet characteristic, throw angle, or am i just a dumb nut without enough skill to properly use the cermet for opening loops? Is there a rubber with similar speed and spin as cermet (don't necessarily need faster speed n spin than cermet) with control as good or better as sriver el yet easy to make opening loops as sriver el? (assuming i'm not just a dumb nut without enough skill to use cermet for opening loops)... =) If I'm just a dumb nut without enough skill to use cermet for opening loops, that is, you find it's as easy to make opening loops with cermet as it is with sriver el, please give me advice as to how to do so... Because, using the same stroke i find i need to use more power to make opening loops with the cermet even then still have quite many balls hit the net instead of going over. What stroke adjustments should I do on the cermet? A little more info, many times using the el when I make opening loops against chops, the ball goes quite high (arc wise, but not lobing) instead of just above the net as regular looping. This might be due to me opening the blade more while looping chops, correct? Since the cermet is lower throw than el, I suppose using the same stroke should be fine with cermet, that is, it should go over the net at lower arc than with el. Instead I have to exert more power (with same stroke) to make the ball over the net (if any). I use them on Korbel blade.

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theman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Premier Member Joined: 09/22/2006 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 7234	Post Options Post Reply Quote theman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03/12/2008 at 7:57am
	i know this sounds obvious, but maybe the reason y the ball going high is because ur misreading the quantity of spin? or maybe as the pushing war goes on, the spin is reduced, but u think its still substantial spin, so u open the racket and go up more? i dunno.
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rokphish Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Gold Member Joined: 11/27/2007 Location: Indonesia Status: Offline Points: 1924	Post Options Post Reply Quote rokphish Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03/13/2008 at 12:10pm
	Theman, Yes, I think that's what happened on the higher arc loops, need to remind myself to close the blade more... But that's another problem... Problem with my stroke instead of particular rubber. I was playing with another guy in the club who's a defense player. He's giving me chop balls while I loop them... I found that i need to exert more power/energy using cermet compared to el while looping his chop balls... Cermet being capable to generate more spin i thought that looping under/backspin would be easier?

varghesep Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Premier Member Joined: 09/28/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3111	Post Options Post Reply Quote varghesep Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03/13/2008 at 12:29pm
	As far as I know the Cermet produces low arc. Sriver is normally a smashing rubber and has high arc. I would recommend you to practice with the new cermet rubber for a day or two, and fix your strokes. That is one way you can study your stroke. Whenever you change your rubber, it takes a while to adjust. I think you are in that stage. So, practice little more and fix your strokes. Remember, don't by a rubber to fix your weakness. Buy the equipment where your strength is.

rokphish Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Gold Member Joined: 11/27/2007 Location: Indonesia Status: Offline Points: 1924	Post Options Post Reply Quote rokphish Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03/15/2008 at 5:27am
	That sounds good! Practice... Practice... Practice...

yogi_bear Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 11/25/2004 Location: Philippines Status: Offline Points: 7219	Post Options Post Reply Quote yogi_bear Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03/15/2008 at 10:36pm
	if you are trying to loop against chops try using a 60-80 degree racket angle on your loops depending if its really heavy.. the 30 and 45 degree angles are not just enough for those kind of chops
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kenneyy88 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Premier Member Joined: 01/06/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4074	Post Options Post Reply Quote kenneyy88 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03/16/2008 at 7:45am
	You should adjust angle to how much backspin that the ball has. Also how fast your racket is moving affects what angle is best.