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KleinesDickesAilton 
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 Topic: Palio Blitz DurabilityPosted: 07/28/2011 at 11:27am |
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I had two sheets of Blitz in a row that developed bubbles (pimples that detach from the sponge) within 2 months of playing 2-3 times a week. They occured in the center of the rubber, where I hit most of the balls.
1. Blitz black 2.0mm
2. Blitz black 2.2mm
For both, the rest of the topsheet was still in a very good condition at the time the bubbles formed. I glued them with Elmers rubber cement (might that be the reason?).
@ all Blitz useres:
Has anybody experienced the same? Please tell me the glue you used.
What is the average livetime of your Blitz?
I now you might argue that is what you get for 30$, but what really gets me is that the rest of the rubber looks like new.
I will post pics if anybody wants so.
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JimT
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Posted: 07/28/2011 at 12:11pm |
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I mostly used water-based glue but used Elmer's as well - didn't have any bubbles for the last 18 months (5 Blitz rubbers)
Also I am satisfied with their longevity - if you don't rip them they last at least 3-4 months without even losing their sheen much... |
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Posted: 07/28/2011 at 12:13pm |
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I use butterfly water based glue (freechak) and have no issues. Very happy with their longevity.
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Posted: 07/28/2011 at 12:28pm |
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none will argue on $30... it comes from the same factory as $60 rubbers and manufacturing cost is way less than 30 anyway.
my blitz, or any other esn factory rubber that i ever used never formed bubble. i use water- based adhesive - Tearmender.
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Posted: 07/28/2011 at 12:31pm |
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I mainly used Elmer rubber glue. I have not had any bubble problem for the last 12 months. I also play around 2-3 times/week.
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Posted: 07/28/2011 at 12:37pm |
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I've had one sheet of Blitz for a long time now and am satisfied with its durability. I've had bubbles form on rubbers before but never ones from ESN. They seem to use a strong adhesive on par with what butterfly uses. I also used light voc glue.
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Posted: 07/28/2011 at 1:00pm |
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Depending on your level, bubbles on ESN rubbers is pretty commom.
Recently I had bubbles with Baracuda (4 weeks), Acuda S1 (5 weeks) and Omega 4 Asia (1 week).
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Posted: 07/28/2011 at 1:14pm |
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I am very happy with the rubbers and have them for almost 1,5 month. I use them for 2-3 times a week in medium-light training. The topsheet has started to show little marks revealing the pips structure but that's normal for any player that plays with spin. I feel their performance is at its peak. The sponge is max. The glue i use is Hai Fu Speed Glue DOLPHIN 6$-250ml from ttnpp. I use one thin layer at the rubbers and a bit more on the blade, especially at the edges. I have glued them 3 times till now but i usually glue the rubbers once every 2 months after first month. Nothing special noticed till now except a really small shrinking. Only bad thing is that the red rubbers has less feeling. It feels more plastic and a bit harder than the black and even the sound is different. I had only one rubber bubbled and it was Tibhar Nimbus when the rubber first came out, quite long ago. |
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Posted: 07/28/2011 at 1:47pm |
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I have gone thru 4-5 sheets of Blitz. I play twice a week and each sheet has lasted 4-5 months easy.
I put on new sheets when a new league season starts becaue the rubber is relatively cheap. Otherwise, I would keep playing with the old sheets for a while longer. (Much better durability than PME, which was pretty dead after 4 months)
Always glued with Elmers RC. No bubbles.
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KleinesDickesAilton
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Posted: 07/28/2011 at 2:46pm |
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Thanks guys for the feedback. It seems like voc glue can't be the problem. So either (1) I just had bad luck, or (2) I hit too hard:-), or (3) its just too hot here (feels like over 100F).
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Posted: 07/29/2011 at 7:16am |
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I usually get bubbles on ESN rubbers but I have never tried Palio's ESN, Thor's and Blitz.
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Posted: 07/29/2011 at 11:09am |
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I haven't encountered this problem with my red Blitz 2.0. I glued it with Stiga BTG.
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Posted: 07/29/2011 at 11:28am |
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I have 2 customers who have bubble problem with Blitz. They used speed glue. No problem reported yet for the water glue users, but praises on durability instead. Maybe glue is the reason for KDA's problem.
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Posted: 07/29/2011 at 11:42am |
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Ok. I have more Blitz rubbers in the pipeline (2.2mm blk for fh and 2.0mm red for bh). Once they arrive, I will attach them with water based glue and post my experiences here in this thread (substantial results about durability will take some time, the longer the better).
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Posted: 07/29/2011 at 12:15pm |
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At Stavros: Which team you play for and what category are you, A2/A1? At everybody else: Hasn't anyone noticed any difference between black-red sheet? It is easily noticeable, specially after the first ~20 hours. |
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Posted: 07/29/2011 at 12:21pm |
Regarding ESN Rubbers, I noticed a lot of difference with Baracuda and Omega 4 Asia.
Red Baracuda was soft, almost like Baracuda Big Slam, while black was firmer, more stable.
Red Omega 4 was very good and springy while black one was kinda dead, almost with chinese feel.
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Posted: 07/29/2011 at 3:14pm |
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i used a blitz for 11 months, no problem, and it still had more spin than some rubbers brand new
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Posted: 07/30/2011 at 9:39pm |
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Used Blitz ~3 month with no bubbles (water-based glue)
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Posted: 07/31/2011 at 5:36am |
I played for Amfithea last year in A1. This year I'll play for Loutraki in A2. What about you, Stoi ?
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Posted: 07/31/2011 at 10:47pm |
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Glued black Blitz with Elmer's rubber cement and never formed a bubble. It stayed good for about 4-5 months.
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Posted: 08/01/2011 at 6:01am |
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I play for F.O.A. Neapolhs, before i played for Pera thes/nikh in B category at Thessalonikh. I am playing for ~5 years. Good luck to both of us :)
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Posted: 08/01/2011 at 3:36pm |
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How come I am the only one experiencing these problems? That makes me feel I am doing something wrong (storage of the paddle?, glueing?, hitting???). So frustrated right now!
Can you guys post:
your skill level, temperature/humidity conditions that your paddle experiences during play, storage and transport and how many hours you play per week.
That might help me to further examine the cause of my bubble disaster.
I know that I could just be the victim of randomness and that this search does not lead to a solution of the problem but it's interesting to hear your experiences and I appreciate it very much.
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Posted: 08/03/2011 at 4:12pm |
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It depends on your skill level. Good players always hit the ball on pretty much the exact same spot and play with more spin. I have the same problem except with Tenergy and GD TopEnergy.
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Posted: 09/10/2011 at 5:26pm |
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I changed my plans and glued my black Blitz 2.0mm on my forehand side (because of weight considerations) two weeks ago. When I cut it to the blade, I realised that it was very brittle. It basically started crumbling down while cutting... This has not been the case with my earlier Blitzes and made me suspicious. During play, I felt that it was unusually soft and very bouncy, which I dont like. Now I have a hard time putting spin on the ball with this rubber.
What happened??? I bought this Blitz from ttnpp while I bought the previous ones at eacheng and ttarmory. |
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KleinesDickesAilton
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Posted: 09/10/2011 at 5:27pm |
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no bubbles so far
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Posted: 09/10/2011 at 7:24pm |
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1.5 month on BH - no bubles so far. I'm using water-based glue.
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Posted: 09/10/2011 at 8:45pm |
Did you let the cement dry before application? If not, I suppose it's possible the glue weakened the sheet. |
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Posted: 09/11/2011 at 2:06am |
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I had the same problem with a sheet of red max Blitz which I bought from ttnpp. It crumbled when cut and the sponge was a creamy colour rather than the pale colour of the other Blitz rubbers I have used. It is softer than my other Blitz rubbers and I thought it may be the 42.5 hardness rather than the 47.5 which I ordered. The package says 47.5 but the sponge is definitely different to the other 4 sheets of Blitz I have bought from ttnpp. However, I have never had any bubble problems with Blitz.
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Posted: 09/11/2011 at 6:48am |
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the topsheet of Blitz is very soft and fragile. A tiny bit of topsheet chipped where I put my finger. I only have this problem with very soft topsheets.
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Posted: 09/12/2011 at 2:44pm |
I let it dry until the dome is gone (~30 minutes) to avoid tensions. Could it be that Palio made a second batch of Blitz rubbers and adjusted some parameters (towards the wrong direction if you ask me...)? Or, can it be that those rubbers are custom made according to the demand of the reseller (in that case ttnpp)? |
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