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Pete73 
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Only stupid people who don't understand the game get angry at pips.
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I played against a guy with serious anger management issues a few weeks ago. Every point was commented on by him shouting words along the like of: "F**k yes Steve! That's how you do it!" or "Steve, you idiot! That was an easy shot!" He also threw his paddle into twice, though never at me.
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Any one translate this tirade for us?
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Wow! Dont know what language is that, but that sounds triumphant! not too bad
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He´s been an assh*le twice.
First, not understanding pips behavior. Second, not controlling his own. Sad.
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What a stupid remark |
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I used long pips. many times when people lost to me, they said they lost due to my rubber. Many people don't like to play with long pips. I heard in some tournament (Canada), they even banned the kid (under 13??? ) to use long pips. I think they worry about long pips will discourage the kids when they just start practicing table tennis.
I agree when I use long pips, most player have "pressure" because they have to "think".
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Yup - that's about right.
BTW: translation is in the description of the youtube video - can't really post it here |
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Juniors in Canada under certain age not sure what it is, is not allowed to use any type of pips. They want all juniors to start training with smooth and smooth - then switch to whatever they want after they have the basics developed using smooth and smooth.
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vanjr
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Opps. I found the translation. Ouch. I wonder if this is directed to the opponent or the ball. Either way I doubt those two are going out for a drink after the match.
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i think i would get angry if the equipment is illegal, which i believe is also a problem with the lp players
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And how would you know that it is illegal? |
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It's illegal when I loose!  I thinks that's the frustrating part, kinda impossible to tell if thier lp are illegal |
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Any brand of frictionless long pips are now illegal/banned by ITTF. |
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In the beginning, table tennis rackets were made of wood. I remember in 60's, most of the rackets were SP. But I know inverted rubber was used in Japan. In 70's, inverted rubber and SP rubber were 50/ 50. In 80's, inverted rubber became popular. ITTF got rid of wood racket long time ago. They also got rid of some LP and some SP. I remember LGL used TSP spinpips when he got the Olympic gold medal. Later on, the rubber was targeted by ITTF. The "expert" set up a "scientific rule" and banned the rubber. LGL was then retired. Later on, TSP produce Super spinpip and another Spinpip (modified to comply with the "scientific rule")
I feel ITTF eventually will get rid of LP first (20 years later), then SP (50 years later). I wish ITTF will increase it's transparency. When they decide anything, should have a good reason and should show in their website.
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I'm not the kind of guy that loses control, but playing against long pips sucks. Even if you know how the ball is coming after a loop or a push, it's boring.
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They are NOW illegal?! They have been illegal since 2008. Did you ever encounter anybody with banned pips in a tournament? Even if, you would just have to call the referee. So what is the problem? |
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... and with inverted players who use boosters... fair is fair...
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An excuse for having crappy footwork. So it goes.
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(Jay) So it goes.
And goes and goes and goes and goes. A brief summary of the last 45 years of pong: In the beginning....Sriver and Super Sriver reigned supreme over all the Earth. Then along came Toni Hold Antispin and Sriver Killer to render them less potent. Sriver and Super Sriver were replaced by Mark V, which for a brief period was considered invincible. Next same color long pips or antispin combined with inverted and development of the art of twiddling to negate the awesome firepower of Mark V. This worked for a while, until the ITTF decided things had gotten too much out of hand, and mandated that table tennis rubbers should only be red and black. After that, some ingenious Hungarians discovered the miraculous effects of speed gluing inverted rubbers, a practice which lasted for about fifteen years until once again the ITTF said enough is enough and banned volatile organic compound based speed glues. Was this the end? Not quite. Boosters replaced speed glues, long pippers countered by using frictionless long pips, Der Materialspezialist came up with a truly bad-ass antispin, a slightly larger ball was introduced, equipment mania ran amok, but pushblockers still bottom out at about 2350 and if you're a modern defender and make it to above USATT 2750 your name is probably Joo Sae Hyuk. Is this fair or sensible? You talkin' to me? I'd be the Carrie Nation of table tennis were it within my power. Edited by berndt_mann - 05/19/2016 at 7:19pm |
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What about the new long pips, after they start getting worn and less friction, at what point do they become illegal ? How does an Umpire test for frictionless long pips ? |
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Actually, that was Dr. Neubauer right after the frictionless lp ban. |
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The umpire can't! All the umpire can do is check if it is on the LARC, meaning it is not a banned pip. Edited by Matt Pimple - 05/19/2016 at 8:11pm |
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At lower levels of club play, pips rubber really screws up the opponents timing and sends some very short, dead balls that are hard to return (that part may be both equipment and technique related, talking here about blockers). However, as the level of opposition increases, the LP player should better learn some aggressive uses of his pips, or just become a chopper (mindset permitting... ) otherwise the easy wins will not happen for much longer. This has been my interesting, and new, experience. I, too, sometimes see the opposition upset, although we are a bit more civil than the OP example...
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I would send it for Si elemental tests.
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The umpire can also check for uniformity of surface condition as well as for any other dimension based specification. Keep in mind that technically the umpire's decision isn't final. It is the referee who would make the final determination if you were to take issue with an umpire's pronouncement.
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I've found that a few minute overview of what long pips and anti-spin do and their implications is usually enough to alleviate a lot of frustration that beginning and intermediate players have with the "junk" rubbers. The key insight is that when you hit against long pips, you get to largely dictate what kind of spin will be returned to you. That's a handy thing to know.
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