Penhold
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Topic: Penhold
Posted By: TT_Freak
Subject: Penhold
Date Posted: 03/27/2007 at 11:25pm
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I'm very interested in what my fellow penholders are using on their
forehands. The 999T has finally died, and I'd like a little feedback
from what else is currently considered "good".
------------- Violin F1 Actor 10g at 3 and 9 10g at 12 20g at the end of handle |
Replies:
Posted By: reachie85
Date Posted: 03/28/2007 at 12:19am
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I currently use Fenghun3 (Faster 3), it's very fast and spinny, easy to produce low arc speed loops. This rubber is more for quick attacks and mechanically induced loops. I used to play with tacky rubber and graze loop, so I'm still not completely used to this rubber, it was definitely a positive surprise how fast and forward my loops got. I might stick with this rubber to play with a faster style or go back to graze spin loop style, either way this rubber is a very powerful, fast and spinny. ------------- BL: Yasaka Ma Lin Extra Offensive CPen FH: Haifu Blue Whale 2 BH: Nittaku Nodias |
Posted By: GenomicsKnight
Date Posted: 03/28/2007 at 12:26am
| I use Yasaka Zap (made by PALIO) on my forehand. The middle gear is very flat. I am planning to try H3 next, since Skyline III worked for me pretty well. |
Posted By: O! Ju Qian
Date Posted: 03/28/2007 at 2:25am
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i really don't ask a lot for my forehand rubber. i used hurricane 3 (comm., nat./prov.) and i really didn't like it for some reason. i think hurricane 3 seems somewhat risky for me to use, so i always get this mixed feeling. i think globe 999 suits me well because i am power looper with wide/big swings, so i am looking for more control in my shots. i also use dhs sponge just to add a little bit of speed. ------------- BL: Yasaka Extra Offensive CP FH: Hurricane 3 Pro BH: Tenergy 05 "Practice is USELESS if you don't understand what you are doing." |
Posted By: silvalis
Date Posted: 03/28/2007 at 3:47am
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I use Banda Sigma.
------------- Potato Face |
Posted By: TT_Freak
Date Posted: 03/28/2007 at 5:02am
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Sigma? I've never heard of it before, any insights?
------------- Violin F1 Actor 10g at 3 and 9 10g at 12 20g at the end of handle |
Posted By: mardim
Date Posted: 03/28/2007 at 5:52am
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i use short pips and right now i have the globe 889-2 for my forehand but before when i was using inverted mendo energy seemed to work well about th banda sigma, its like innova ultralight with the magna sponge(or is it the other way around?) |
Posted By: Ksix
Date Posted: 03/28/2007 at 8:15am
| I dont play with pen anymore, but before I used H3 with a few good layers of glue |
Posted By: silvalis
Date Posted: 03/28/2007 at 9:01am
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Magna topsheet on Innova UL sponge. Soft, spinny, fast with enough glue. Great for opening loops, not that much power for long distance rallying though. Best to stay mid distance (and glue heavily). I'm not really a fan of heavy chinese rubbers, nor really tacky stuff. I'm going to change to Yasaka fusion after I kill this rubber (Approx 10 weeks before the topsheet loses the slight stick). ------------- Potato Face |
Posted By: Wawaicetea123
Date Posted: 03/28/2007 at 9:21am
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i use byrce or sriverl trying to deside between more speed or control ------------- Kreanga Aeros ST FH: Tenergy 05 Red 2.1 BH: Flarestorm II Black 2.1 |
Posted By: tony7190
Date Posted: 03/28/2007 at 9:37am
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so no one uses traditional short pips anymore? haha I have either 802-40 or Dragonow ------------- DHS 4007 Penhold Blade FH: 802-40 BH: G888 |
Posted By: ryno
Date Posted: 03/28/2007 at 5:14pm
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bryce hard sponge.i can't use chinese rubbers on my j pens they totally mess me up.i like them on my shakehand blades though. ------------- Red Label Kim Taek Soo (83g) Almana Sound Synergy Tech (max) |
Posted By: aeoliah
Date Posted: 03/28/2007 at 8:59pm
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So far I find that F2 is the most suitable for me.
------------- Member of the Single Ply Hinoki Club Viscaria Super ALC C-Pen Rasanter C48 |
Posted By: mardim
Date Posted: 03/29/2007 at 7:11am
as i said i use 889-2, its like 802-40 but with a softer sponge. |
tony7190 wrote:Posted By: TT_Freak
Date Posted: 03/29/2007 at 7:16am
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Its nice to see a few traditional short pippers still among us. Bit envious of you now, the list of good short pips is very small indeed.
------------- Violin F1 Actor 10g at 3 and 9 10g at 12 20g at the end of handle |
Posted By: tony7190
Date Posted: 03/29/2007 at 9:19am
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sorry mardim i didn't your post. Very cool! traditional penhold style rules!
------------- DHS 4007 Penhold Blade FH: 802-40 BH: G888 |
Posted By: TT_Freak
Date Posted: 03/29/2007 at 9:53am
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Well, just to hypothesize. What do everyone think the ultimate penhold rubber should be? I find that more and more of the rubbers coming out of China isn't geared to be a penhold rubber at all (Palio mostly).
------------- Violin F1 Actor 10g at 3 and 9 10g at 12 20g at the end of handle |
Posted By: mardim
Date Posted: 03/29/2007 at 10:20am
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for forehand i am bit biased to short pips that are spinny. it does not need to be that fast. I am basing this on liu guoliang who used spinpips before it was banned and it was not the fastest around but if you see him play he used it with power and precision. its his technique and not the rubber(maybe the wood hehehe) for inverted it depends on your stroke. high throw or low throw? if you can close your blade angle low enough for the traditional block then high throw rubbers are the way to go. if not then use low throw rubbers. for me the best would be a light low throw rubber with lots of spin for services and the open angle loop. |
Posted By: silvalis
Date Posted: 03/29/2007 at 10:27am
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There is no ultimate penhold rubber - it depends on the penhold style, be it fast attack, mid/long powerloop (ie, jpens), etc.
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Posted By: TT_Freak
Date Posted: 03/29/2007 at 10:30am
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Oh, this is mostly for fun. I daresay we won't be learning much from this thread until after a long, long discussion.
------------- Violin F1 Actor 10g at 3 and 9 10g at 12 20g at the end of handle |
Posted By: mardim
Date Posted: 03/29/2007 at 10:40am
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yeah its true. especially if you are you are using a jpen or cpen. for everybody: if you are a cpen player, would it mess up your game if you play with jpen? there is something inside me that wants to try jpen. My style is a flat hit off the bounce with sp. i would like to try looping using inverted in a jpen. ( i am inspired by ryu seung min hehehe ). My main concern would be weight. are jpens heavier? |
Posted By: TT_Freak
Date Posted: 03/29/2007 at 12:17pm
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It felt unwieldy playing J-pen, mid-distance play was nice but that style just isn't viable anymore. ------------- Violin F1 Actor 10g at 3 and 9 10g at 12 20g at the end of handle |
Posted By: reachie85
Date Posted: 03/29/2007 at 1:46pm
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i feel that cpen is the better out of the 2 penholds, because cpen gives more flexibility, you are able to block and push with a flatter angle on the bh, and easier to graze loop while still able to mechanical loop with ease. of course, that's just my opinion, comparatively, cpen is more holding onto the paddle, jpen is more holding onto the handle. ------------- BL: Yasaka Ma Lin Extra Offensive CPen FH: Haifu Blue Whale 2 BH: Nittaku Nodias |
Posted By: O! Ju Qian
Date Posted: 03/29/2007 at 1:49pm
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i've tried many rubbers before and i think 999 would be a suitable rubber for most penholders. This rubber does not pack a lot of speed, but has all the gears you want to play a consistent game. i've been playing with it for almost 3 years ever since i switched from the other brands i've used before. ------------- BL: Yasaka Extra Offensive CP FH: Hurricane 3 Pro BH: Tenergy 05 "Practice is USELESS if you don't understand what you are doing." |
Posted By: GenomicsKnight
Date Posted: 03/29/2007 at 2:02pm
Interesting insight... |
Posted By: jasonz
Date Posted: 03/29/2007 at 7:18pm
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I have tried many rubbers (stiga, butterfly, andro, donic, yasaka, avalox, globe, DHS, Friendship, Dawei, nittaku, juic, palio, etc) My favorite is DHS H3 with many many layers of glue. I currently use H3 with with extra, ma lin carbon, korbel, OC, BT 777, BT 700, Primorac Carbon, etc.
My favorite blade with DHS H3 is Stiga EG or Yasaka YE.
I have also played with JPEN, I like CPEN much better for RPH capability.
------------- Jason Z Stiga Xu Xin Dynasty FH DHS TG -60 Soft BH DHS H3 white sponge pro |
Posted By: mardim
Date Posted: 03/30/2007 at 7:56am
| i agree with qjq. for inverted nothing beats globe 999/999t national. |
Posted By: Adib
Date Posted: 03/30/2007 at 1:22pm
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I vote Hurricane 3, Im japan penhold using nittaku rorin 9mm with Hurricane 3 provicial... ------------- Blade:Nittaku Rorin 9mm,Xiom RSM Gold,TSP YAMATO-K 10.5mm Rubber:Black 38 degree Hurricane 3 Provincial |
Posted By: mardim
Date Posted: 03/31/2007 at 1:30am
| wouldnt that be heavy? i can imagine h3 on a jap pen being heavy |
Posted By: 7homuz
Date Posted: 03/31/2007 at 2:25am
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when i used cpen i though one of the best rubbers i liked on fh was h3, absolutely awesome for blocking, short balls, serves, and loopdrives (esp against bottomspin). it lacked when it got into a rally stage, but for the first few balls, its pure bliss. another i really liked was 999/cannon, similar to h3 in some perspectives i guess, but much better for loops and rally, and not as great for serves, shortballs, and bh blocks.
------------- Blade:Darker 7P-2A Forehand: Donic Bluefire M2 MAX Backhand: Palio CK531A 0.6 |
Posted By: leeyong
Date Posted: 03/31/2007 at 3:30am
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For me it depends on the blade a little. H3 on med/hard blade and 999T/saviga on med/soft blade. I prefer H3 woth firm support and 999T need the catapult from the blade...... so a tie. but I definetely like tacky topsheet for servicing.
I haven't being pratice much recently, so the softer blade is more forgiving until I get back my touch. good luck For the violin, I guest H2 or H3! ------------- BTY SC ST BH: Bryce FX 2.1 FH: Sriver L 2.1 Stiga CL cpen FH: Globe 999T on saviga 2.2 BH: Yasaka Mark V soft Others: KTS, Darker speed 90, 30 (10mm) Jpen, Nittaku Septear ST, DHS 032 CS |
Posted By: forehandloop
Date Posted: 03/31/2007 at 3:33am
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h3 is a little too soft for penhold. i personally am a shakehander, and i think it would suit the controlly people more
------------- MALIN=Making A Loop Irritate Noobs TIMOBOLL=Tt Includes More Of Body Odour, Lob Lowly SAMSONOV=Slicing A Massive Spin Over Non-Oxygen Vessels MALONG=My Attack Leads Our National Encyclopedia |
Posted By: Skippy
Date Posted: 03/31/2007 at 9:57am
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Lets ask the best penhold player on the planet. Ma Lin what do you like to play with? What's that you say? Globe 999 National Version Red w/ Orange sponge? Well, I'll pass that along. There you have it. ------------- Xiom Zetro Quad FH: Andro Hexer Max BH: Xiom Euro Vega Max |
Posted By: Adib
Date Posted: 04/01/2007 at 1:33am
I using the Nittaku Rorin 9mm version where it suitable for my H3 42 degree. I been improve many game since i used the H3 than my japan rubber previously. ------------- Blade:Nittaku Rorin 9mm,Xiom RSM Gold,TSP YAMATO-K 10.5mm Rubber:Black 38 degree Hurricane 3 Provincial |
Posted By: mardim
Date Posted: 04/01/2007 at 8:28am
then how would you know? if you dont play penhold then you cant say such things. a lot of penhold players use h3 on their forehand and before wang hao switched to skyline he was using h3. so what are you talking about? |
Posted By: mardim
Date Posted: 04/01/2007 at 8:32am
well according to this pic he using dhs skyline now http://www.fotop.net/rxng/cntt/malin |
Posted By: TT_Freak
Date Posted: 04/02/2007 at 9:44am
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Interestingly enough the poll shows that H3 is a winner (with G666 and 999/Saviga a close second). But it seems that everyone is agreeing that 999 National is best! Any reasons you guys like your rubbers so much?
------------- Violin F1 Actor 10g at 3 and 9 10g at 12 20g at the end of handle |
Posted By: mardim
Date Posted: 04/02/2007 at 12:38pm
| i think its because of its balance of speed and spin. plus its not that heavy like the h3 |
Posted By: silvalis
Date Posted: 04/02/2007 at 10:00pm
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999 National is heavy like H3.
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Posted By: mardim
Date Posted: 04/03/2007 at 6:27am
| really?my experience is with the regular 999 and its not that heavy. will try the national soon and see |
Posted By: BKTT
Date Posted: 04/03/2007 at 3:10pm
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I use palio 2046 on my Ma Lin Carbon. ------------- CL+H3+64 |
Posted By: creeder06
Date Posted: 04/05/2007 at 3:14pm
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the two rubbers that i like are palio top on saviga sponge and then i like firendship super fx super soft for some reason i have allways liked really soft rubbers on my forehand and hard on my back hand i like max thickness or no less than 2.2 and i play a hard blade ------------- if table tennis is to sports, what star wars is to movies, then you must be chewbacca. |
Posted By: sunflex
Date Posted: 04/05/2007 at 3:15pm
| bleh |
Posted By: reachie85
Date Posted: 04/05/2007 at 6:03pm
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just wondering, which one of these rubbers will produce the highest arc when graze looping? so i guess the rubber should be the most tacky and have the hardest sponge... ------------- BL: Yasaka Ma Lin Extra Offensive CPen FH: Haifu Blue Whale 2 BH: Nittaku Nodias |
Posted By: O! Ju Qian
Date Posted: 04/05/2007 at 7:55pm
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i think less tacky and more "bouncy-hard" would produce a high arc. 999 has a fairly high arc. ------------- BL: Yasaka Extra Offensive CP FH: Hurricane 3 Pro BH: Tenergy 05 "Practice is USELESS if you don't understand what you are doing." |
Posted By: reachie85
Date Posted: 04/07/2007 at 5:01am
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wouldn't a tacky rubber be better for high arc? since when you loop, you do an upward swing, and being able to have the ball stick onto the rubber should lead to a more upward starting motion for the ball... that's how the logic plays out in my brain... might be wrong ------------- BL: Yasaka Ma Lin Extra Offensive CPen FH: Haifu Blue Whale 2 BH: Nittaku Nodias |
Posted By: TT_Freak
Date Posted: 04/07/2007 at 9:40am
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It depends, a Euro-esque Chinese rubber (like the Inspirit) will be able to get the high arc going but not the spin. My experience with the 999 is that its high throw against topspin but low throw against backspin.
------------- Violin F1 Actor 10g at 3 and 9 10g at 12 20g at the end of handle |