Chinese Cheap rubber Vs Expensive rubbers
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Topic: Chinese Cheap rubber Vs Expensive rubbers
Posted By: varghesep
Subject: Chinese Cheap rubber Vs Expensive rubbers
Date Posted: 10/05/2007 at 1:18pm
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What you guys' opinion about cheap rubbers from RITC Friendship 729, Gambler etc... Do they have quality? ------------- http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16429 - Feedback |
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Posted By: cagaragesales
Date Posted: 10/05/2007 at 8:39pm
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I would recommend H3 = hurricane 3 from DHS. If you check on the forums, you'll notice that they are very popular. And the professional versions (provincial) are still lower than a regular shriver rubber. Check out my postings as I also have some for sale.
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Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 10/05/2007 at 8:45pm
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The prices are often not reflected in the quality, and it varies from brand to brand, and even rubber to rubber... Can't make a general statement about it, it depends on which specific rubber.
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Posted By: LachlanTan
Date Posted: 10/05/2007 at 9:06pm
| haggisv can i seal a blade with any hairspray? mine doesnt have polymer acrylates.. |
Posted By: sprite
Date Posted: 10/05/2007 at 9:33pm
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I am currently using SST God-Favored and I am satisfied with the quality and performance. I have not found any sheet that suits my fh loop better than SST GF. And the chinese type sponges hold the glue effect longer than japanese type sponges. I was using Focus II before this and the quality was good. Previously I used HII and H III which had good enough quality, but there was sometimes differences in sponge hardness from batch top batch. What I have noticed is that the top sheet on Chinese type rubber shows wear more quickly than a Mendo MP or Mark V top sheet. This does not necessarily mean the top sheet is worn out as soon as it begins to show signs of wear. But I can see how some folks would associate the worn look with lower quality. I have also used 729 SP and 802-40 with 35 degree sponge, both good sheets, and the 802-40 was as good as any spinny pips out sheet I have tried from any company. ------------- YEO Boost TP |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 10/05/2007 at 11:16pm
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No way varghesep!!! the chinese companies don't add the exensive stuff in their rubber formulation and save that money .... ;)
Why do you think everything you wear, use buy is made of china ? The country's economy is the factor... it doesn't take gold and silver to make a ruber formulation better. it's just the labor (cheap).. the volume (china has a very large domestic market) ... and govt. subsidized research that decides cost.
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Posted By: theman
Date Posted: 10/05/2007 at 11:35pm
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cost? nah doesnt matter rlly, my 729 transcend is kicking butt on my bh
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Posted By: TT_Freak
Date Posted: 10/06/2007 at 12:59am
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Everyone in China plays TT, so all the companies have to undercut each other to sell rubbers. This isn't like in Europe where only a few companies actually produce the rubbers, China has a lot of factories.
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Posted By: PP Dui
Date Posted: 10/06/2007 at 1:30am
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I have tried H3, H2, Inspirit, 729 series, they are all very good
if you get used to them. I also tried 999t1, it was a $4 rubber,
but with a fast blade, it works very well. All those rubbers are
very good for close to table attack or loop, and can also produce tons
of spin. plus that they last much longer than the many times
expensive rubbers, i v seen friends have the same sheet for 2 years by
playing on a weekly bases and still working well for them (BTW they
dont glue) ------------- funplay, enjoy the game |
Posted By: theman
Date Posted: 10/06/2007 at 1:35am
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if 1 billion ppl in china bought 1 rubber...god look at the profits!!
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Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 10/06/2007 at 1:44am
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i agree with all you guys ... i was kidding with varghese's question. |
Posted By: theman
Date Posted: 10/06/2007 at 1:49am
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u agree about the billion ppl thingy?
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Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 10/06/2007 at 1:53am
| absolutely ... and i also believe the one rubber thigy too.. since they play only one side ..;) |
Posted By: theman
Date Posted: 10/06/2007 at 2:13am
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hahaha good point ------------- i lost my racquet Schlager u beast http://www.youtube.com/MDSguy" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/MDSguy |
Posted By: LachlanTan
Date Posted: 10/06/2007 at 3:53am
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chinese rubbers are really good for their price |
Posted By: JKC
Date Posted: 10/06/2007 at 5:33am
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Play with whatever suits your style. If you are lucky and the Chinese stuff is right for you then TT will be much cheaper. I use 729 Transcend SP on FH and God Favored SP on BH and have never had any real quality issues. My game was just waiting for me to discover Chinese rubbers. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34kRbLNCcpk" rel="nofollow - Fred 49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGShBxEKnDk%20rel=" rel="nofollow - I once could serve |
Posted By: Fraziel
Date Posted: 10/06/2007 at 8:39am
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I have found the friendship rubbers to be good quality, globe and palio also.I would not buy euro or japanese rubbers any more. total rip off, mind u they are a lot cheaper in the u.s than europe.
There are lots of grippy or half tacky soft/medium sponge rubbers made by chinese manufacturers now so its relatively easy to find what you want without shelling out on an expensive jap or euro rubber. ------------- Fraziel, blade- tibhar samsonov alpha rubber, FH- palio cj8000 on canon 1.8 mm 40 sponge, BH- same |
Posted By: varghesep
Date Posted: 10/06/2007 at 1:15pm
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I can understand the fact that a lot of stuff we buy in the US has �Made In China� tag, and can buy for cheap. But that does not mean the Chinese products have the same quality comparing to one made in the US. I was thinking the quality as (1) durability of the top sheet (how long you can use) (2) the speed, spin and control parameters have been measured in the quality lab and it is true as it states (3) the performance being consistent for all the shorts (4) the durability and performance of the sponge. The world top players mostly use Chinese rubbers from companies such as 729, DHS. Are they using the same 729 rubber that we get in the US market or other countries for less than $20? I don�t think so � the players get the high quality rubbers. I think rubbers from companies like Butterfly, Donic or Stiga go through extra process while the Chinese rubbers do not.------------- http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16429 - Feedback |
Posted By: sprite
Date Posted: 10/06/2007 at 2:28pm
Durability of top sheets varies from sheet to sheet. Sonnex JP lasts me one week and costs $20+ more than most Chinese sheets which last longer. Extra process = $20+ more and a shorter life span. Speed, spin & control are very relative to personal preference. Lab results don't mean much if the rubber does not perform for you with the strokes you use and the blade you place the sheets on. Yes, rubber performance is dependent on the blade you mount it on and whether or not you speed glue, and the type of stroke you use. Sponge durability would go to the Chinese sponges, hands down, imo. Sponge performance? I like harder sponges on the fh, Chinese sheets have this, so do Japanese sheets, and harder sponges last longer than soft ones. With speed glue I don't find that either type of sponge lasts significantly longer than the other, and this is not really important as so few top sheets out last the sponge, except on some tensor sheets and really soft sponged sheets, which you cannot purchase separately (top sheet and sponge) anyway. Overall consistent performance? Not much of an issue with 729, and seemingly less so with DHS. Top players get high quality rubbers? This is true with both types, don't be decieved. All that matters is that you are satisfied with the performance of the sheets you get, and the price you pay. ------------- YEO Boost TP |
varghesep wrote:Posted By: varghesep
Date Posted: 10/06/2007 at 2:45pm
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Thanks. Do Chinese companies manufacture soft sponges? ------------- http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16429 - Feedback |
Posted By: sprite
Date Posted: 10/06/2007 at 3:29pm
Yes, they do, but I don't currently use them, and can't offer much info about them. The Gambler six shooter has soft sponge, and the mrs and reactor sponges always felt soft to me. This might be a good point for one or more of the dealers of such equipment to speak to the point? Here are some reviews of Chinese type sheets: http://oneofakindtrading.com.au/new_page_2.htm - http://oneofakindtrading.com.au/new_page_2.htm ------------- YEO Boost TP |
Posted By: varghesep
Date Posted: 10/06/2007 at 3:33pm
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I was checking the prices of brands like Stiga and Stag. They are between $20 and $30. Aren't they Japanese? ------------- http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16429 - Feedback |
Posted By: JigglyPuff
Date Posted: 10/06/2007 at 4:56pm
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i don't even consider any rubbers besides chinese ones since they're so affordable. and i think technique is much more valuable than equipment, but don't get me wrong, playing with dead rubbers is useless too |
Posted By: sprite
Date Posted: 10/06/2007 at 6:04pm
Stag rubbers at PP; one is german, one is chinese, one is from india, and the $30 one is from japan. Some stiga products are low cost, but what about performance? Many of them are unknown performers and by the ratings given almost certainly would lack power, though some of them may be to your liking. Some people have complained about the acs sponges of stiga sheets being inconsistent and the acs top sheets don't give spin over the table, except magna, which sometimes tears when looping. The mendo series of sheets have been lowering in price lately while other some other companies sheets have been raising in price, I wonder if they are going to be discontinued? ------------- YEO Boost TP |
Posted By: varghesep
Date Posted: 10/06/2007 at 10:06pm
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I've heard that Stag has a partnership with a company in India. I have used a brand called Nisaku while I was in India, so has not used the brand stag. I will question the quality of rubber in India unless it says "export quality". Like Chinese rubbers, the recreational players need only stag. ------------- http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16429 - Feedback |
Posted By: Fraziel
Date Posted: 10/07/2007 at 11:24am
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You can buy most chinese rubbers from zeropong or presports.com for between $12 and $14 a sheet.A typical jap or euro sheet in the U.K is $40-$60 a sheet. Bearing that in mind why would anyone buy jap/euro sheets?
the chinese stuff is, pretty much, good quality now. sponge and top sheets. Stiga is swedish and has a reputation for very good quality. I dont know why anyone would say otherwise.I just dont like the type of rubbers they produce. ------------- Fraziel, blade- tibhar samsonov alpha rubber, FH- palio cj8000 on canon 1.8 mm 40 sponge, BH- same |
Posted By: sprite
Date Posted: 10/07/2007 at 1:11pm
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"Stiga is swedish and has a reputation for very good quality. I dont
know why anyone would say otherwise." Maybe they speak from experience? ------------- YEO Boost TP |
Posted By: drywater
Date Posted: 10/09/2007 at 8:03am
| ive used ritc lkt xp pro and 729 focus 3... they both seem to do the job but i think they dont last as long as the more expensive rubbers |
Posted By: ErikaT
Date Posted: 10/09/2007 at 10:07am
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i think is just about the company of the brand, like the items from China is not as gd as japan
for eg i hav a TG3 and sriver El from june till now
played less than 30 times
TG3 hav small cracks already while the El is still ok la
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Posted By: Budric
Date Posted: 10/09/2007 at 10:13am
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If by quality you mean durability, I think chinese rubbers win that category. The cheaper they are, the longer they probably last too because of hard sponge, and hard topsheet. That 7$ 729 Friendship sheet seems to last some of the older gentlemen at the club a lifetime.
In terms of feel, they don't compare - at all. lkt xp, destroyer, friendship with all the "soft" terms and "feel" terms in the description doesn't come close. Feels dead, may as well use a hard sponge rubber. They do the job, but take the fun out for me. So I end up paying the higher prices... |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 10/09/2007 at 2:38pm
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well look at the post.
- some think chinese rubbers are durable with less playability
- others think chinese rubbers are okay to play but less durable
It's time we understand that China is not a company neither Europe or Japan. And rubbers do vary not only from company to company but also type to type.
take very thin topsheet rubbers or highly stressed tensor rubbers .. rubbers being used with glue andthose without...etc etc.
it's age of product parity ... brand perception is mostly in our mind. we don't even know who is actually making it... who is selling it.
729 and DHS topsheets, Dawei and Kokutaku sponges, Galaxy and Sunflex blades are global standards comparing with any whatsoever company. in fact some of these companies make products forEU and Jap companies :)
so... we need a good sample set and eliminate other variables... while making sweeping assumptions.
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Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 10/09/2007 at 2:51pm
| bryce and ekrips dont last.....regarding chinese rubbers it depends where you get them , i bought 20 999 sheets to an guy in uerope and all the 20 sheets were top notch ,,same hardness .. i think they sell crap to america maybe cos they think there are no good players in america but in europe ist diferent. where do you think the chinese players living in europe gwt their rubbers? |
Posted By: debraj
Date Posted: 10/09/2007 at 3:55pm
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ha ha .. good one BBKON
but don't start your global logistics company with such ideas.
globe knows they have competition in amrica selling good products ... and globe has to gain market. so they can't afford to deliberately push inferior product in any open market... unless they are monopoly. plus it will be a logistical nightmare to do so.
hey!!! did you mix up the chinese 999T with Iran 999T ?? .. oops.. i forgot to mark it... one has uranium and other has lead in it!! ;)
and going by your logic.. all good rubbers should stay at China... since they are the best players ...
ooh no!! you gave samsonov the wrong 999T.. that was Wang Hao batch.. he wouldn't know how to use it!!!
and guess what , money matters. americans pay, while east europeans play... and globe CEO needs his retirement savings. :)
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Posted By: TTReactor
Date Posted: 10/09/2007 at 4:22pm
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I prefer Chinese rubbers as I think they help me develop a forehand loop easy as rubbers are tackier. But this is my opinion....TTR ------------- Exclusive Table Tennis Gear & Official Distributor http://www.TTReactor.homestead.com - http://www.TTReactor.homestead.com |