Triple Sealing is legal! YES, if . . .
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Topic: Triple Sealing is legal! YES, if . . .
Posted By: tommyzai
Subject: Triple Sealing is legal! YES, if . . .
Date Posted: 10/07/2007 at 10:57am
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it's not super thick like a heavily lacquered coffee table . . . at least this is my understanding of the rules. I have been sealing dozens of blades using a triple sealing method I learned in China from high level Chinese players and blade gurus. A member on this site turned me on to the sealant, which is Varathane. My sealing technique has many steps and take hours. In the end only about 1-2 grams is added. I am careful not to make the blades too thick. The end result is a smooth, glassy finish. You can see the grain, but cannot feel the grain.
Triple sealing protects the blade, stiffens the blade, and will definitely speed up your play. I estimate it adds a notch on the speed scale, i.e. an ALL becomes an ALL+. Is this legal? I think so! There are thousands and thousands of players doing this overseas and they are not hiding it. I should mention it's very easy to remove a little sealant is you use a fine grade (150-220) wet-sanding sponge and gently make circles across the blade surface, being careful not to round the edges. ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
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Posted By: pingpongrob
Date Posted: 10/08/2007 at 4:05am
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Tommy, I have read the Rules from the ITTF and cannot find anywhere, about it being illegal, I know I have read it somewhere, or even been told by an ITTF equipment committe member. To be Honest with you, I cant even see how the Kreanga Carbon can be breaking the rules. Hopefully some one can locate the exact rule, that will shed some light on the subject. I think its a shame that the ITTF cant make the rules easily understandable and enforced. Every rule should be spelled out in an easy to read and understand manner. ------------- Distributor for Andro, XIOM, Tibhar, Joola, Dr Neubauer, Donic, DHS, AIR, Dawei, 729 & Yinhe http://www.affordablett.com.au" rel="nofollow - http://www.affordablett.com.au |
Posted By: silvalis
Date Posted: 10/08/2007 at 4:24am
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It's in here http://www.ittf.com/ittf_equipment/pdf/T4_Racket_Coverings_2007.pdf ------------- Potato Face |
Posted By: TT_Freak
Date Posted: 10/08/2007 at 4:53am
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Its primary purpose is to protect the blade, the speed increase is only a side-effect and is no way comparable to carbon or even adding lead weights.
------------- Violin F1 Actor 10g at 3 and 9 10g at 12 20g at the end of handle |
Posted By: In_this_pace
Date Posted: 10/08/2007 at 4:59am
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Sorry to make stupid question, but what is sealing? ------------- BTY Lapuhta ALL+ FH: Mark V 2.0 black |
Posted By: pingpongrob
Date Posted: 10/08/2007 at 5:04am
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Here is the actual wording, taken from the ITTF site 1.1. Blade A very thin layer of lacquer is permitted on the blade, only for the purpose of anchoring wood fibres, thereby facilitating replacement of the covering. Anything more than this will be deemed to constitute a layer of plastic, and will not be permitted. This layer may be no more than 0.1 mm thick, and should not hide the wood from sight or touch. It is considered to be part of the blade, rather than part of the thickness of the covering. So the key words here are Sight or Touch. And 0.1mm 0.1mm is about the thickness of a sheet of thin writing paper, 1 coat of Varnish or lacquer is about 0.1mm, so 3 coats would make it illegal. Sealing is when you apply a coat of lacquer to the blade, so as to avoid splintering I personally believe that the Rule is STUPID and unenforceable. ------------- Distributor for Andro, XIOM, Tibhar, Joola, Dr Neubauer, Donic, DHS, AIR, Dawei, 729 & Yinhe http://www.affordablett.com.au" rel="nofollow - http://www.affordablett.com.au |
Posted By: LachlanTan
Date Posted: 10/08/2007 at 6:28am
| Maybe I am wrong but I think you can either SEE or TOUCH the grain but not both required |
Posted By: pingpongrob
Date Posted: 10/08/2007 at 6:56am
You can still see the grain if the coating is more than 0.1mm, but its still illegal ------------- Distributor for Andro, XIOM, Tibhar, Joola, Dr Neubauer, Donic, DHS, AIR, Dawei, 729 & Yinhe http://www.affordablett.com.au" rel="nofollow - http://www.affordablett.com.au |
LachlanTan wrote:Posted By: theman
Date Posted: 10/08/2007 at 7:18am
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man this rule blows
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Posted By: LachlanTan
Date Posted: 10/08/2007 at 7:41am
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ITTF needs to make a new rule about this issue.. |
Posted By: pingpongrob
Date Posted: 10/08/2007 at 7:57am
The ITTF doesn't know what its doing. I had a look and feel of a Hallmark Frictionless Pimple "Super Defense", apparently the ITTF has passed this rubber, yet in my opinion it does not comply with the ITTF rules. WHATS GOING ON I'm Confused ------------- Distributor for Andro, XIOM, Tibhar, Joola, Dr Neubauer, Donic, DHS, AIR, Dawei, 729 & Yinhe http://www.affordablett.com.au" rel="nofollow - http://www.affordablett.com.au |
Posted By: theman
Date Posted: 10/08/2007 at 8:19am
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oh rlly? well then give it to me defence ezy !!! nah just jk
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Posted By: ppgear
Date Posted: 10/08/2007 at 11:11am
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Technically, the "touch" part doesn't make sense. Any layer of varnish will hide the wood from touch (when you touch it, you only make contact with the varnish, not the actual wood, unless you didn't get a good layer on and left some spots uncovered). But about the part saying that it would count as a layer of plastic, is it not allowed to have a layer of plastic on top? The top ply must be wood? ------------- Arthur Lui Revspin.net - Table Tennis Equipment Reviews Top USATT Rating: 2131 |
Posted By: pingpongrob
Date Posted: 10/08/2007 at 11:14am
Arthur, its absolutely crazy. I just cant understand what the ITTF is trying to do. I mean how could it possibly affect the outcome of a match.  ------------- Distributor for Andro, XIOM, Tibhar, Joola, Dr Neubauer, Donic, DHS, AIR, Dawei, 729 & Yinhe http://www.affordablett.com.au" rel="nofollow - http://www.affordablett.com.au |
Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 10/08/2007 at 11:15am
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You can see the grain on any blade i seal and in most cases still slightly feel grain; however, the feel thing is not an issue as half the blades I buy from the factory come unfeelable, i.e. Galaxy MC1 . . . and all the other coated blades. Hey, when I seal I'm not lacquering it to be like a coffee table . . . I'm rubbing Varathane into the wood, wetsanding, and repeating twice. It's think, but glassy. The results are LEGAL!!!! ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
Posted By: ppgear
Date Posted: 10/08/2007 at 11:26am
Well a thick layer can increase the speed of the racket, so it can affect the outcome of the match. But there's nothing wrong with this advantage. It's equivalent to the person buying a slightly stiffer, faster blade. So philosophically there's nothing wrong with it, the ITTF just didn't think the rule through before making it. But is there a rule saying that the top ply must be wood, not plastic? I didn't see such a rule in that PDF. The closest rule I saw was that 85% of the thickness of the blade must be natural wood. But if they allow a manufacturer to put a layer of plastic as the outer ply, then I don't see the difference if a person puts a thicker layer of varnish, assuming it still complies with the 85% rule. ------------- Arthur Lui Revspin.net - Table Tennis Equipment Reviews Top USATT Rating: 2131 |
Posted By: Speedplay
Date Posted: 10/08/2007 at 5:11pm
Well said Rob, it isn't the rubber but the players who determine the outcome of any match, regardless of equipment! About the sealing, as far as I know, the rule for blades is that 85% needs to be of "natural wood" (Is there any other) so assuming I have an all wood blade, I could add 15% varnish to it and it would still be legal... ------------- The holy grail |
Posted By: jinhocha
Date Posted: 10/08/2007 at 5:38pm
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I believe as long as you can see the bare wood and the thickness is less than 0.1mm...that's is legal under current law... I believe Butterfly is convincing ITTF for its changing, but not know when...
------------- jinhocha |
Posted By: bbkon
Date Posted: 10/09/2007 at 3:48pm
| For Layman is easy to think a laquer coat is gonna increase the speed, but that is not true as long the bounce is the result of the whole transmision of the impact energy of the ball. as long the inner plies od the blade are the same this cant be true. tommy check your physics textbook.. |