VOC Speed glue alternative poll
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Topic: VOC Speed glue alternative poll
Posted By: namari
Subject: VOC Speed glue alternative poll
Date Posted: 01/27/2008 at 8:54pm
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I may be forgetting or not aware of other good products out there, but I just wanted to get a poll going for some good active feedback on these VOC-free, speed glue alternatives. Which do you like best? What are the specific results that you've had? In your opinion, which is the best product in terms of practicality, least trouble to apply, least time to apply, longest lasting results, unpleasant side-effects (smell etc.) I'll add to the list any that I'm forgetting if you just let me know. Thanks! ------------- Tibhar Power 40 Nittaku Hammond X 2.0 (FH) Nittaku Hammond Pro Alpha 2.0 (BH) |
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Posted By: Schlager
Date Posted: 01/27/2008 at 8:56pm
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The pressure box doesn't give any effect, it just keeps the effect in there after you have used tuning.. But if you want it up there, Joola has a pressure box too.. ------------- Blade: Butterfly M. Maze Off ST Rubbers: Bluefire M2 2.0 |
Posted By: namari
Date Posted: 01/27/2008 at 9:04pm
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I just realized that I can't edit this poll to add new items, so I guess we'll just have to make do with what's there. Please feel free to add other products in your comments though. Joola's Tuning Box is a valid addition although Schlager makes a good point that the pressure boxes are just for maintaining the tuning. Do they work with the other booster products mentioned here or are they only worthwhile with certain specialized rubbers? ------------- Tibhar Power 40 Nittaku Hammond X 2.0 (FH) Nittaku Hammond Pro Alpha 2.0 (BH) |
Posted By: varghesep
Date Posted: 01/27/2008 at 9:21pm
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Please add Dr.Neubauer Booster also. The review on Dr.Neubauer Pressure Box can be read at http://www.tabletennisnetwork.com/Game/Blog/tabid/67/EntryID/24/Default.aspx - http://www.tabletennisnetwork.com/Game/Blog/tabid/67/EntryID/24/Default.aspx ------------- http://www.mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16429 - Feedback |
Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 01/27/2008 at 9:29pm
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What about BTY Speed Optimizer 1. ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: namari
Date Posted: 01/27/2008 at 9:32pm
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liXiao, BTY is the third option on the poll list. FYI. ------------- Tibhar Power 40 Nittaku Hammond X 2.0 (FH) Nittaku Hammond Pro Alpha 2.0 (BH) |
Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 01/27/2008 at 9:36pm
Whoops, missed it ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
Posted By: TTfan
Date Posted: 01/28/2008 at 5:00am
| Falco booster, greatest softening, great glue effect, lasts for over 3 weeks, easy to apply. |
Posted By: speed_king
Date Posted: 01/28/2008 at 5:15am
| Stiga Aqua energy glue + Synergy Tech technology for Stiga rubbers = Unstoppable combination |
Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 01/28/2008 at 10:07am
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I have 2 rackets with BryceFX on them. One is speed glued the other one is treated by Speed Optimizer1 three layers. ------------- we make real professional handmade table tennis blades - ospblades.com |
Posted By: Schlager
Date Posted: 01/28/2008 at 10:21am
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Could you give us a review of the differences? ------------- Blade: Butterfly M. Maze Off ST Rubbers: Bluefire M2 2.0 |
Posted By: namari
Date Posted: 01/28/2008 at 10:46am
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I personally really like Ecolo Expander II. The problem I have with it is that when the effect wears off (about 4 weeks) there's no easy way to just to reapply the Expander and get the effect back for another few weeks. Am I wrong? Is there an easy way to retune without scraping off the glue and starting over? What about with the other products listed in the poll? ------------- Tibhar Power 40 Nittaku Hammond X 2.0 (FH) Nittaku Hammond Pro Alpha 2.0 (BH) |
Posted By: PLLsystem
Date Posted: 01/28/2008 at 10:51am
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lasts 10 days to 2 weeks in three layers
1st day too soft, then becomes sharper
makes the sponge slower rebuild than speedglue so a bit lazy feeling
sounds as speedglue, fast as speedglue, a bit lacks of spin (apx: 5%)
(I use old Alser 1970 blades, 5.4mm thickness, 163�154mm head)
Tried on G2 and Bryce. Well, not so effective. I am convinced that it works with FX sponges ------------- we make real professional handmade table tennis blades - ospblades.com |
Posted By: namari
Date Posted: 01/29/2008 at 10:10am
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bump ------------- Tibhar Power 40 Nittaku Hammond X 2.0 (FH) Nittaku Hammond Pro Alpha 2.0 (BH) |
Posted By: McGuiggan
Date Posted: 01/29/2008 at 11:35am
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Speed Optimizer is excellent imo
------------- Timo Boll Spirit Bryce Speed 2.1 FH Bryce Spee FX 2.1 BH |
Posted By: glueman
Date Posted: 01/30/2008 at 6:14am
| Falco booster! Softens the sponge as much as normal speedglue, awesome for harder sponged rubbers! |
Posted By: ErikaT
Date Posted: 01/30/2008 at 6:22am
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dont u hav the nittaku speed accelerator in the poll??? ------------- 
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Posted By: namari
Date Posted: 01/30/2008 at 8:31am
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I hadn't heard of Nittaku's Speed Accelerator. Do you use it? What are your impressions of it? ------------- Tibhar Power 40 Nittaku Hammond X 2.0 (FH) Nittaku Hammond Pro Alpha 2.0 (BH) |
Posted By: asr1990
Date Posted: 01/30/2008 at 9:40am
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cte
------------- mizutani jun tenergy bryce speed fx Will be trying Zeta soon |
Posted By: thethinker
Date Posted: 01/30/2008 at 6:10pm
| Not on the list? E oil isn't too bad. |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 01/31/2008 at 1:12am
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I suspect most voters would not have tried more than one booster/tuner, since they've only been around for a short while, so the results might be more of an indication of what people have used (and were happy with), not which is better.... ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: namari
Date Posted: 01/31/2008 at 9:37am
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This is a good point haggisv. Really though, the goal of this poll is threefold:
#1. determine what most players are using and why, #2. find out if they like the results and, #3. gather information on a wide variety of products to help us all decide what's best for "me". Thanks to all for their feed back so far! CTE seems to be winning in terms of popularity at this point. ------------- Tibhar Power 40 Nittaku Hammond X 2.0 (FH) Nittaku Hammond Pro Alpha 2.0 (BH) |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 01/31/2008 at 8:04pm
It's a good poll, and it's certainly done that, but it was worth pointing out I thought. I only compared the CTE to Falco Booster side by side on a medium hard chinese rubber and a hard sponged chinese rubber. I feel the falco booster is better if need need more sponge softening, but if not the CTE seems just as good. it obviously depends a lot on the rubber and waht effect you need persoanlly. ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
namari wrote:Posted By: namari
Date Posted: 02/01/2008 at 8:17am
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That's great information to know about Falco Booster compared to CTE, especially for those who favor harder sponges. Thanks for that specific feedback haggisv! ------------- Tibhar Power 40 Nittaku Hammond X 2.0 (FH) Nittaku Hammond Pro Alpha 2.0 (BH) |
Posted By: tablepong
Date Posted: 02/01/2008 at 10:34am
| Where can I buy Tibhar Clean Tuning Extra in the US? |
Posted By: namari
Date Posted: 02/01/2008 at 10:37am
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You can get it here: http://www.paddlepalace.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GTCTE ------------- Tibhar Power 40 Nittaku Hammond X 2.0 (FH) Nittaku Hammond Pro Alpha 2.0 (BH) |
Posted By: YATTP
Date Posted: 02/01/2008 at 11:37am
You should try the new Stiga Booster  Pretty good stuff imho. I voted for it because it has the strongest performance if you apply it both to the sponge and the topsheet. I had 4 layers on the sponge and 2 on the topsheet. Very nice  CTE has my second vote. The effect is good. Good spin, but a bit too fast imho. The big advantage of CTE is that the effect lasts 4 weeks. 99% of all players will be happy with one of the new tensor rubbers like Donic Persson Gold, JO Silver, Nimbus etc. If you want better performance (spin) and don't like the hassle of tuning every other day I'd go for CTE. If you want maximum performance and you don't mind a bit of work, I'd go for the Stiga Extreme Booster. |
Posted By: ppmax
Date Posted: 02/01/2008 at 1:29pm
| DONIC Power Boost is available at www.ping-pong.com, for people in Canada and the US. |
Posted By: namari
Date Posted: 02/01/2008 at 2:05pm
Have you tried the Donic Power Boost, ppmax? If so, what's it like? How does it compare to some of the other products here? ------------- Tibhar Power 40 Nittaku Hammond X 2.0 (FH) Nittaku Hammond Pro Alpha 2.0 (BH) |
Posted By: ppmax
Date Posted: 02/01/2008 at 2:14pm
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namari, No. I just ordered it along with other stuff but won't touch it right away. I still have some CTE to last me another month. |
Posted By: namari
Date Posted: 02/01/2008 at 2:29pm
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Cool. Well, when you get to it, don't forget to let us all in on it's performance . ------------- Tibhar Power 40 Nittaku Hammond X 2.0 (FH) Nittaku Hammond Pro Alpha 2.0 (BH) |
Posted By: ppmax
Date Posted: 02/01/2008 at 3:22pm
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I don't see how Dr Neubauer Pressure Box creates glue effect by itself. My guess is that it will make the glue effect in treated rubbers last longer, using high pressure to slow down evaporation rate. |
Posted By: namari
Date Posted: 02/01/2008 at 10:16pm
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In my understanding the Dr. NPB helps maintain the glue effect. I'm curious to know if anyone is using it with one of the above products or with tensor rubbers and with what results. Anyone? ------------- Tibhar Power 40 Nittaku Hammond X 2.0 (FH) Nittaku Hammond Pro Alpha 2.0 (BH) |
Posted By: namari
Date Posted: 02/02/2008 at 8:56pm
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Here's a great source of information on some of the more popular products in this poll:
Falco booster http://falco.oneofakindtrading.com.au/Falco-Tempo-Booster.php Falco unlimed: http://falco.oneofakindtrading.com.au/Falco-Tempo-Unlimited.php Tibhar CTE: http://oneofakindtrading.com.au/tibhar_clean_tuning_extra.htm Differences between tihbar CT and CTE: http://oneofakindtrading.com.au/Shop/product_info.php?products_id=473 ------------- Tibhar Power 40 Nittaku Hammond X 2.0 (FH) Nittaku Hammond Pro Alpha 2.0 (BH) |
Posted By: Flicker
Date Posted: 02/11/2008 at 5:47pm
| bump |
Posted By: areskoug
Date Posted: 02/14/2008 at 10:53am
| yasaka mark v powerchage is the best of them all |
Posted By: namari
Date Posted: 02/14/2008 at 11:03am
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Is Mark V POWERCHARGE available here in the US yet? ------------- Tibhar Power 40 Nittaku Hammond X 2.0 (FH) Nittaku Hammond Pro Alpha 2.0 (BH) |
Posted By: JimT
Date Posted: 02/14/2008 at 11:33am
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Anybody knows of any place besides PaddlePalace selling Tibhar CTE in the US/Canada? It seems kinda strange that they would be the only ones carrying it... ------------- Single Ply Hinoki Club, Founding Member Say "no!" to expensive table tennis equipment. Please... |
Posted By: Flicker
Date Posted: 02/14/2008 at 10:16pm
| Hi Jim - You converted me. I have order CTE and Clean Fix glue at Paddle Palace. They should be here next week. I have some brand new Sriver EL sheets to try it out with. Can't wait. I do not know if any other place in the US or Canada that carries Tibhar CTE. Maybe they have some exclusive right with Tibhar? |
Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 02/14/2008 at 10:21pm
I believe PP is the sole distributor in NA for Nittaku ------------- Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen Andro Hexer Pips 2.1 Donic Acuda S2 Max |
Posted By: melarimsa
Date Posted: 08/25/2008 at 10:07am
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Juic Ecolo II |
Posted By: Master_of_loops
Date Posted: 08/25/2008 at 10:45am
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They all will be banned! ------------- 
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Posted By: jpenlover
Date Posted: 12/13/2008 at 11:38pm
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Can these speed glue alternatives pass the enez test?
------------- Blade: Butterfly TBS Rubber: H3 Neo |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 12/14/2008 at 6:04am
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Most of them probably can as they are designed to do so...
------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: Hasham
Date Posted: 12/14/2008 at 7:45am
| haven't they all been banned??? |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 12/14/2008 at 8:01am
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Yes they have been banned (for all ITTF events), but I was merely answering his question.
------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: jpenlover
Date Posted: 12/14/2008 at 10:57am
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haggisv, thanks for the answer.
------------- Blade: Butterfly TBS Rubber: H3 Neo |
Posted By: Hasham
Date Posted: 12/15/2008 at 4:00am
| If they're all banned then how can they detect them if sum1 uses them??? |
Posted By: brytaku25
Date Posted: 12/15/2008 at 6:38am
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All I hear is that the rubber will act like it was speed glued. So my guess is that it will be curly and will have a unique smell. OR ITTF will be using Alien Tech to scan our rubbers and destroy out planet. The bad news is that when I watched how to apply it, it takes 12 hours
------------- See you guys in the next life!................... |
Posted By: jpenlover
Date Posted: 12/15/2008 at 11:28am
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If these VOC free speed glue can not be detected, then how can they be banned from ITTF tournament? I am wondering if anyone here has been using the VOC free speed glue in a tournament and passed the enez test?
------------- Blade: Butterfly TBS Rubber: H3 Neo |
Posted By: pokerpete
Date Posted: 12/16/2008 at 8:41pm
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so i just got a sheet of nitakku H3 js recently and tried it out ......completely dead ....well you could spin the heck out of it still, but forget hitting so i boosted it with falco booster......and wow that did the trick. perfect, just what i would have expected from this rubber, now you could pop and flick balls over with out hitting it to hard. livened up the rubber just right with just one thick coat, the rubber was really bending. now just to see how long the effect lasts? oh and to ad to the comment above this falco booster is VOC free and suppose to be able to pass the ENEZ test .......there is no doubt in my mind that players on all levels are still boosting, tuning, or glueing there rubbers...well just have to wait and see what the future holds for this rule! ------------- Blade:Stiga Sense 7.6/ Timo ZLC FH: Tenergy 05FX BH: Tibhar Q5 Sound |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 12/17/2008 at 6:08am
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The effect lasts for over 3 weeks... I don't believe it's completely VOC free, but the level is supposed to be so low, it's well below the legal limit... Manufacturers still use VOC based glues to put their rubber together anyway, so even a new rubber out of the packet, won't be VOC free.... ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |
Posted By: jpenlover
Date Posted: 12/17/2008 at 11:47am
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Hi haggisv, do you know where I can buy falco booster? Is it available in US?
------------- Blade: Butterfly TBS Rubber: H3 Neo |
Posted By: pokerpete
Date Posted: 12/17/2008 at 5:20pm
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there is a link to it right in the main page of the forum here,at the top of the page. and no i don't think u will find it in the US ------------- Blade:Stiga Sense 7.6/ Timo ZLC FH: Tenergy 05FX BH: Tibhar Q5 Sound |
Posted By: haggisv
Date Posted: 12/17/2008 at 9:09pm
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Yes i haven't seen it sold in the US either, although I think some used to sell the Falco unlimited. We still sell the stuff, but shipping from Australia is obviously more expensive. ------------- Smart; VS>401, Dtecs OX http://tabletennisshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=page&id=42" rel="nofollow - Tenergy Alternatives | http://tabletennis-reviews.com" rel="nofollow - My TT Articles |