The Official Speed Glue Effect Rubber Thread!
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Topic: The Official Speed Glue Effect Rubber Thread!
Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Subject: The Official Speed Glue Effect Rubber Thread!
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 2:05pm
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Hopefully, we can follow the same ideal of the "List of what the professionals use" thread. I hope this official thread will prevent the list of multiple postings about questions about the new glue effect rubbers, such as: Tibhar Nimbus/Sound XIOM Omega Series Butterfly Bryce Speed/Speed FX-High Tune Series-PowerSponge series-Tenergy Joola Mambo GP/Energy Xtra/Tango Series/Energy Dawei Inspirit/Quattro Nittaku Narucross Series Andro Roxon/Plasma DONIC JO Silver/Gold/Platinum--DESTO Series Stiga SynergyTech Rubbers Yasaka PRYDE Tibhar Sinus/Sinus Alpha So post all reviews/input here! ------------- ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ take my energy ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ |
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Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 2:14pm
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Has anyone tried any of the ROXON rubbers yet or the DONIC JO Platinum?
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Posted By: everest81
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 2:20pm
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nice thread, so far i have tried nimbus regular and energy xtra for nimbus > extra for my preference, at least loop spinning close to table.
------------- Member of Single ply Hinoki club Kokutaku Cho-Super Cho Tokusen + Tenergy Max Collecting dust: Nittaku Cho tokusen 9mm, kokutaku cho tokusen 9mm, darker 90 10mm, ryno custom poc blade 10.2mm |
Posted By: liXiao
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 2:21pm
Who makes Roxon rubber? ------------- Gewo Aruna Hinoki Carbon Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 53 SuperSelect Yinhe Qing |
cmetsbeltran15 wrote:Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 2:23pm
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andro.
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Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 2:23pm
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http://www.andro.de/en/newsletter/200801/t5.php
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Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 2:35pm
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there's a good tread here: http://forum.tt-news.de/ - http://forum.tt-news.de/ they talk about the new andro roxon and tibhar sinus good things about this rubbers ------------- Dynaryz AGR /Yasaka Goiabao 5 / Dynaryz AGR |
Posted By: Halibass
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 2:54pm
The site is only available in German, right? I can't seem to find an English version. Thx. |
Posted By: Budric
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 2:59pm
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Dawei Inspirit Quattro - absolute garbage. Heavy, useless for away from the table looping, hard. No sound, no spin.
Joola Mambo GP - hard rubber. Fairly slow. Not too much better than quattro. I wouldn't consider these two anywhere near "speed glue effect" rubbers. Certainly not in the same league with what Donic and Andro advertise as speed glue effect rubbers. |
Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 3:01pm
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Anything else?
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Posted By: Kennie
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 3:53pm
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Yasaka Pryde will be nr.1 fastest built in speed glue effect rubber of ESN factory. coming soon ------------- Blade: YASAKA Ma Lin Soft Carbon Fh: YASAKA PRYDE Bh: YASAKA Xtend HS |
Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 3:59pm
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I have never heard of that. Interesting.
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Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 4:23pm
| tibhar torpedo doesn't have build in speed glue effect. donic will also come out with vario gold. butterfly has this new rubber tenergy 05. tibhar also has sinus and sinus alpha,joola has greenpower and tango (extreme). you also have xiom omega 1 and 2. You forgot to add lots of tensors/ build in glue effect rubbers. |
Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 4:24pm
every time yasaka comes out with a new rubber,blade or tuner you always say that it will be/is the best. I think this is crap!
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Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 4:48pm
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Yeah, I think kennie is a promoter of Yasaka products. However, the Powercharge tuner turned out to be pretty good I heard.
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Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 4:51pm
I also heard it's good but I didn't hear that's the best from someone else than Kennie
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Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 6:50pm
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Check poll for more details.
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Posted By: riker71
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 6:57pm
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Tibhar SINUS? horrid name for a rubber, reminds me of noses, nasal scrolls, turbinates and nasal passages, maybe they should call it Tibhar Turbinates instead? but if its good I will use it! |
Posted By: AMonteiro
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 7:30pm
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I think Pryde, Roxon, JO Platin and Tibhar Sinus are all the same! Just wait and see... ------------- Dynaryz AGR /Yasaka Goiabao 5 / Dynaryz AGR |
Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 03/17/2008 at 7:33pm
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I think they are all made in the same factory. I am interested in the Vario Gold, but can't find where to buy it. ------------- ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ take my energy ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ |
Posted By: gtlug
Date Posted: 03/18/2008 at 12:00am
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Andro Plasma 430 : Do the job well, something on really well hit and powerful top-spin you get a good glue sound. Didn't like it on my BH because I felt it was too hard (I played with a mark V GPS for the last few weeks... so maybe it's just that). On the forehand, I liked it. It gave me the power I wanted, but I got control too. Didn't allow me to put balls close to the ground on the table with an heavy top spin, something that the Desto F1 allow me. Was OK for serve. Stiga Neos Sound SynergyTech: I liked it on both FH and BH, but more on the Backhand. Not really fast, Not really spinny. Feels like any soft rubber lightly glued. You can feel the control with it. Both were used on a Stiga Optimum Plus |
Posted By: cata_60
Date Posted: 03/18/2008 at 12:33am
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I played for about 4 month with Donic Waldner senso wrb blade,combined with Desto f1 2,1 mm fh+Desto f2 2,1 mm bh.
btw,im a shakehander. I found this combination speedy enough,with good control.
I upgraded 2 month ago to Sonex jp gold 2,1 fh+Coppa Silver 2,1 bh.
I put 2 layers of power boost on rubbers,and i lost some control,especially on fh.I really dont like Sonex.
I switched again to F1 fh+ Coppa silver bh,wich is a real good combination for me(im a good amator player,lets say)
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Posted By: goldensmile
Date Posted: 03/18/2008 at 2:32am
| Donic also has SONEX JP GOLD beside Desto series and Coppa JO series.Yasaka X-Tend series claim to be built-in speed glue, but some people will not agreed with it. |
Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 03/18/2008 at 10:11am
I thought the Neos series were best when used with speed glue? ------------- ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ take my energy ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ |
Posted By: gtlug
Date Posted: 03/18/2008 at 10:34am
| It was a Synergytech |
Posted By: jpenlover
Date Posted: 03/18/2008 at 12:34pm
I agree that Andro Plasma 430 does the job well. I have played with Andro Plasma 430, Xiom Omega I, and Joola Energy. Plasma 430 has the most speed glue effect, with great spin, speed, and very loud sound (on my JPen). Omega I is in the 2nd place. Joola Energy does not have as much speed glue effect as Plasma and Omega I, but is most durable among the three. The only thing I don't like about Plasma 430 is that it only lasts about 2-3 months. ------------- Blade: Butterfly TBS Rubber: H3 Neo |
Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 03/18/2008 at 7:57pm
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How long did your Energy last?
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Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 03/19/2008 at 2:07pm
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I have used X-Tend, and did not feel much of an effect at all.
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Posted By: jpenlover
Date Posted: 03/19/2008 at 5:25pm
I have used it for about 3 months, playing 2-3 times at the club each week. It still works OK. ------------- Blade: Butterfly TBS Rubber: H3 Neo |
Posted By: BACKHAND
Date Posted: 03/19/2008 at 7:15pm
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I have just started using Joola Energy X-Tra 2.0mm both sides. It has a good speed glue effect, sound and the ability to lift chopped balls easily. The only fault I have found is its relatively slow speed, compared to speed glued rubber. I practiced tonight with it on a faster blade. TSP 8.5 Balsa. It definately improved the speed.
I have also tried Andro Plasma 430 this is slower still than the Energy X-Tra. Less of a speed glue feel and less spin. ------------- STIGA CARBON Tibhar Nimbus Sound 2.0mm FH Butterfly Tenergy 64 2.1mm BH http://www.mkttl.co.uk/ |
Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 03/19/2008 at 11:44pm
What percentage of its full capability would you say it is at now? ------------- ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ take my energy ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ |
Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 03/20/2008 at 10:01am
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Bump for alpali.
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Posted By: grubbafan
Date Posted: 03/20/2008 at 12:13pm
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Bryce Speed I initially placed the rubber on my "Sardius" blade, but find it a little hard to control. I removed the rubber from that blade and placed it on my "Bolltricarbon" blade, and I find it easier to control the rubber. The rubber is very fast, and it is meant for far table play. A very good rubber for attacking play. However, it is pretty hard to play short and mid distance with this rubber, which is why I put "Tackifire Special" on the backhand of the blade for that. ------------- Blade : Butterfly Andrzej Grubba FL FH : Butterfly Sriver BH : Butterfly Sriver |
Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 03/20/2008 at 12:14pm
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Posted By: grubbafan
Date Posted: 03/20/2008 at 12:18pm
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Hmmm....anything wrong with my comments?
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Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 03/20/2008 at 12:22pm
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I'm just confused, you say it is meant for far table play, but it is hard to play mid distance, so do you mean it should be played with beyond 4 ft. from the table or so? ------------- ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ take my energy ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ |
Posted By: grubbafan
Date Posted: 03/20/2008 at 12:32pm
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Oh....actually, I meant the shots will be towards the end of the table. It is hard to place the ball close to the net, or playing the ball at the middle point of the table. I tend to use my backhand rubber for my close shots.
------------- Blade : Butterfly Andrzej Grubba FL FH : Butterfly Sriver BH : Butterfly Sriver |
Posted By: anixon
Date Posted: 03/26/2008 at 5:00pm
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What the difference between the Joola Green Power and the Joola Energy Extra?
------------- Blades: Xiom Stradivarius - Sriver EL 2.1 Andro Super Core Kinetic OFF+ - Plasma 380 2.0 Stiga Allround Evolution - Palio CJ8000 2.2 |
Posted By: GraemeW
Date Posted: 03/26/2008 at 5:15pm
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Same topsheet - different sponges. EGP is 42.5 deg. and Xtra is 37.5 deg. EGP a bit faster - Xtra spinnier and louder. ------------- Butterfly Korbel ST Red FH: BTY Tenergy T80 1.9mm Black BH: TSP Curl P4 1.5mm |
Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 03/26/2008 at 5:36pm
energy extra is very spinny indeed.
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Posted By: anixon
Date Posted: 03/27/2008 at 2:01am
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Excellent! thanks for the info. I'm curious to try the energy extras now!
------------- Blades: Xiom Stradivarius - Sriver EL 2.1 Andro Super Core Kinetic OFF+ - Plasma 380 2.0 Stiga Allround Evolution - Palio CJ8000 2.2 |
Posted By: chronos
Date Posted: 03/28/2008 at 4:55am
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If someone can clarify something for me, I would be VERY grateful. Sriver G2 FX - does this fall into "speed glue effect" category? I see people talking about gluing it, but wonder if gluing is necessary, how does it play out of the package? Another random question, how is durability of energy extra, are we talking the fragility of EGP, andro plasma etc? Thanks! |
Posted By: chronos
Date Posted: 03/28/2008 at 5:25am
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One more question, answer and become my personal hero - energy extra vs. impulse speed, can someone give a brief compare and contrast? Extra extra bonus if you relate it to F3. Thanks so much. |
Posted By: GraemeW
Date Posted: 03/28/2008 at 5:36am
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Can't comment on Impuls Speed or F3! But I can say that Xtra is fairly durable for a tensor. The secret to preserving tensors is... Edge Tape! Good quality, 12mm edge tape, which is wide enough for most blades and 2 MAX rubbers. We spend lots of money on lovely new rubbers and then don't spend just a little bit more to look after them! The dings and nicks generally come from contact with table and edge tape usually prevents that. For what it's worth, here's the review of Energy Xtra I recently posted on DTTW. " I have been using JOOLA Energy Xtra MAX exclusively this season and so have quite a bit of experience with it. It's quick and very spinny, especially for opening loops at the table. Despite the speed it retains decent control over the table - enough for it not to be a liability. The rubber excels in the short to mid distance looping game and the soft sponge gives enough dwell time for large amounts of mechanical spin to be generated. It still performs well far back but you need to give it a bit of oomph - having said that, unless you're playing with a fast carbon blade and heavily glued rubbers then you're always going to have to do that. Durability has not been an issue so far - average life span has been about 4 months of heavy use (2/3/4 days per week), though I tend to put new ones on my forehand every 2 months and switch the used one to my backhand for another 2 months. As people have commented above, Energy Xtra is also fairly loud! In conclusion, i would say that Energy Xtra has somewhere in the region of 50-60% of a full-on 'wet' glue job, but that is sufficient for my needs. The payback is in consistency from session to session, match to match - something I have also found in the 4 or 5 sheets I have used... no 'duds' yet!" ------------- Butterfly Korbel ST Red FH: BTY Tenergy T80 1.9mm Black BH: TSP Curl P4 1.5mm |
Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 03/28/2008 at 9:09am
sriver g2 fx does not have a build in speed glue effect. It's better to speedglue/tune it.
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Posted By: everest81
Date Posted: 04/12/2008 at 4:33pm
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While there's all the hype for tenergy, I am looking to try out either Sinus regular or Andro Roxon, I found some shops in europe(germany)but shipping is so high...basically for 1 sinus and 1 roxon, with shipping it came to 85Euros ~ 135US Dollars in this site, http://contra.de/ Do any of you know when paddle-palace might carry sinus, i emailed them long time ago but no response. Any other shops, especially for us here in US? ------------- Member of Single ply Hinoki club Kokutaku Cho-Super Cho Tokusen + Tenergy Max Collecting dust: Nittaku Cho tokusen 9mm, kokutaku cho tokusen 9mm, darker 90 10mm, ryno custom poc blade 10.2mm |
Posted By: everest81
Date Posted: 04/12/2008 at 4:51pm
On the same token though, if anyone(FROM US) is interested in these two or the tenergy(38euros), do let me know, if i have 3/4 rubbers to order then per/rubber will be cheaper, both discountwise and shipping wise. ------------- Member of Single ply Hinoki club Kokutaku Cho-Super Cho Tokusen + Tenergy Max Collecting dust: Nittaku Cho tokusen 9mm, kokutaku cho tokusen 9mm, darker 90 10mm, ryno custom poc blade 10.2mm |
Posted By: cmetsbeltran15
Date Posted: 05/05/2008 at 12:18am
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Where did you end up buying the Sinus? Could you write up a quick review of it? Thanks in advance.
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Posted By: Jolan
Date Posted: 05/05/2008 at 6:35am
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I'm also in a EJing testing process at the mmnt. As a Donic's fan, I couldn't resist to the new JO gold/silver and JP sonex gold. In order to make it short, I would say that Gold (comming from F1) feels harder, not necessarly faster, better for blocks, drives and smashes. On acoustic, which is medium stiff, found it much more difficult to loop with. I had to switch it to Korbel (softer, more flexible blade) to give it it's full potential. There it's very good, but to be honest, there's nothing I can do with Gold that I can't do as well with F1. To me, not worth the extra money. JO silver is another story. Clearly softer than F1. Level fast close the table. Missing some power mid and long distance. Throw angle is medium/low and ark is...long. On acoustic I had difficulties cause it was too soft compared to what I was used to. Switched it to Clipper, and there it was much better. Better than F1 on clipper I mean. Softness is balanced by wood stiffness. Very juicy on BH, for skillfull/advanced players only. I sticked F2 max on FH. Alltogether, a deadly combo. Love it !
JP gold ! the last but not the least ! My prefered one. It's faster than the two others (IMO). It's a tad softer than F1 and a hair harder than silver. Ark and throw angle is medium (not flat as silver). Very powerfull at all distances but surprisingly fairly controllable. A looper sheet no doubt, but levelly good at everything. It's a clear upgrade compared to F1. Loud sound, speed glue effect close to 90% (IMO again...). Marries wonderfully with acoustic. Medium + Medium = The great medium (khvn would say).
I still have to work on it and do some adjustments but JP gold takes the lead. ------------- Joola Wyzaryz Freeze Vega pro 2.0mm Vega intro 2.0mm Blade collection : https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9" rel="nofollow - https://photos.app.goo.gl/PrgCu5ib5RnhVXTn9 |