glue reccomendations
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Topic: glue reccomendations
Posted By: pongmaster
Subject: glue reccomendations
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 9:57pm
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i need to buy some new glue, so what voc free glue that will be legal after sep 1 would be the best? What glue gives best value? ------------- Blade: BTY Matsush*ta Pro Special Arylate Carbon FH:H3 BH:Spectol |
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Posted By: PingPangQiu
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 9:59pm
| DHS water base from flicker |
Posted By: pongmaster
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 10:05pm
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so flicker sells it?
------------- Blade: BTY Matsush*ta Pro Special Arylate Carbon FH:H3 BH:Spectol |
Posted By: PingPangQiu
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 10:12pm
| Yep |
Posted By: GenomicsKnight
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 10:13pm
I currently use this one, recommended by Borko on the other thread.  |
pongmaster wrote:Posted By: PingPangQiu
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 10:16pm
| How much does it cost? How much volume? Can it be available in Australia? |
Posted By: Jeff(ATTC)
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 10:21pm
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I use regular rubber cement. After I glue my rubbers down I let it sit for a day so all the VOCs air out.
------------- Bty Jun Mizutani ZLC FH: D80 BH: D05 |
Posted By: GenomicsKnight
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 10:30pm
~12 dollars for one pint in US where I bought it. For the last question, I think Google search (or any online search engine) will be your best bet. |
Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 10:31pm
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how fast does it dry?? Is it hard to peel the glue off?? What about seperating the rubber and blade?? Thanks ------------- Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen Andro Hexer Pips 2.1 Donic Acuda S2 Max |
Posted By: joris
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 10:37pm
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I can sell you DHS VOC-free glue 100mls for $12 shipped.
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Posted By: LachlanTan
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 10:39pm
| Is it the milky glue that is watery and odourless? |
Posted By: GenomicsKnight
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 10:46pm
It's pretty fast. I'd say less than 20 min for rubbers that were treated with Lamp Oil and glued onto an unsealed wooden blade. I bounced the ball on it and it looks dried. I didn't play with it because I am still nursing a wrist injury. I used a Clicky Press, I'd think you probably don't need it unless the rubber is very domed. For the last two questions I haven't gotten to that part yet, so I can't answer. Sorry. I will be gluing up two more setups (one is a sealed blade and another is a Stiga Crystal blade) and I will report later how this glue worked on them. |
Posted By: pongmaster
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 10:47pm
will it be legal after sep 1? ------------- Blade: BTY Matsush*ta Pro Special Arylate Carbon FH:H3 BH:Spectol |
Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 10:49pm
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yes. VOC's are gone after 3 days.
------------- Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen Andro Hexer Pips 2.1 Donic Acuda S2 Max |
Posted By: 7plywood
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 10:56pm
Ditto that. However if you really want to use VOC free I found BTY Free Chack to have the strongest bond (necessary for tuned rubbers that are still little domed) - and it is stronger then rubber cement.
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Posted By: GenomicsKnight
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 10:56pm
I don't think it's that kind of glue you have in mind. The closest color I can use to describe it would be beige (bear in mind I am not too good in color). No smell. Just some very faint odor that I can hardly smell it. The label says it's acid free, non-toxic, water based and no solvents. |
Posted By: LachlanTan
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 11:02pm
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I thought it would be same as water chack |
Posted By: pongmaster
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 11:14pm
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so can you use any random glue to put your rubbers on if its voc etc is within the ittf specifications for glue? Does it have to be ittf approved?
------------- Blade: BTY Matsush*ta Pro Special Arylate Carbon FH:H3 BH:Spectol |
Posted By: PingPangQiu
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 11:29pm
| Do you play any ITTF tournaments? If not it is even OK for you to use speed glue. |
Posted By: chu_bun
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 11:35pm
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After using Clean Fix Extra, I tried Elmer's regular nontoxic glue (for school use) because I think they feel and smell pretty much the same. Elmers takes longer to dry, but besides that I can't tell the difference. |
Posted By: pongmaster
Date Posted: 03/23/2008 at 11:57pm
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i play in usatt tournements which uses ittf rules
------------- Blade: BTY Matsush*ta Pro Special Arylate Carbon FH:H3 BH:Spectol |
Posted By: GenomicsKnight
Date Posted: 03/24/2008 at 12:12am
I think the ITTF requirements for the glue are: VOC-free and no banned substances (chemicals) used. As long as those requirements are satisfied, you can use any glue you want. One thing I am not certain is that are there other requirements beside those two I mentioned? Or maybe we really need to use ITTF approved glues, but I haven't seen any list of approved glues on ITTF website. Hopefully people who know more about ITTF regulations will chime in. |
Posted By: chu_bun
Date Posted: 03/24/2008 at 1:34am
| The label on a Clean Fix Extra bottle said "In agreement with ITTF guidelines". There is not ITTF approved seal. So I guess Elmers School glue should be good. It is water base and nontoxic. |
Posted By: pongmaster
Date Posted: 03/24/2008 at 1:56am
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lol, ok thanks
------------- Blade: BTY Matsush*ta Pro Special Arylate Carbon FH:H3 BH:Spectol |
Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 03/24/2008 at 12:00pm
| Andro Free glue |
Posted By: Stavros
Date Posted: 03/24/2008 at 1:40pm
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If you want speed glue ,Falco Tempo Unlimited is the only option.
------------- InfinityVPS - D80 - D05 |
Posted By: Skyline
Date Posted: 03/24/2008 at 2:55pm
or juic ecolo shot
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Posted By: Flicker
Date Posted: 03/24/2008 at 5:38pm
PPQ - Is there a different forum member by the nickname of Flicker you are refering to? Perhaps you want to clarify. I certainly am not selling any kind of glue. I just want to clarify since several people on this forum has IM'ed me regarding the glue. I just don't want people to be misled. Thanks.
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Posted By: Hefner
Date Posted: 03/24/2008 at 6:03pm
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Could anybody post a picture of a "regular" rubber cement that you use instead of tt glue? Is it a specific type of rubber cement that you can use or just any rubber cement?
I�m not even sure I can buy rubber cement here in Iceland ------------- Butterfly Maze Off Stiga Boost TC both sides |
Posted By: kenneyy88
Date Posted: 03/24/2008 at 6:37pm
| I find my rubber cement in a art store. Theres elmers and best test. |
Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 03/24/2008 at 6:39pm
Flicker also gives out free rubbers, free blades, and free accessories. Feel free to pm him :D ------------- Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen Andro Hexer Pips 2.1 Donic Acuda S2 Max |
Posted By: PingPangQiu
Date Posted: 03/24/2008 at 6:42pm
Sorry it is not you
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Posted By: chu_bun
Date Posted: 03/24/2008 at 6:47pm
Google "rubber cement" and you should get tons of pictures. I like rubber cement because they are cheaper than TT glue and also very easy to clean. I don't think they are VOC free though. |
Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 03/24/2008 at 6:49pm
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TT glue IS rubber cement + some thinners. Good ole Elmer's good for attaching rubber to blade.
------------- Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen Andro Hexer Pips 2.1 Donic Acuda S2 Max |
Posted By: Budric
Date Posted: 03/24/2008 at 7:01pm
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How strong is elmer's glue? Do the rubbers come off easily (don't want to rip wood off my blade)? Any residue on the blade that's hard to clean? Can you thin it out with water?
Thanks, was hoping someone experimented already so I don't have to. |
Posted By: dalamchops
Date Posted: 03/24/2008 at 7:04pm
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Bond is pretty srong, I never reglue unless im trying on different rubbers. Glue residue usually stays with the rubber. THe only blade that i ever had problems with splintering was BTY Primorac-2000 CS which was the biggest POS ever. I don't know about thinning with water, i doubt they'd mix.
------------- Stiga Titanium 5.4 Cpen Andro Hexer Pips 2.1 Donic Acuda S2 Max |
Posted By: 7plywood
Date Posted: 03/24/2008 at 9:54pm
Rubber cement is not that strong. About the same as other VOC TT glues. If you sealed your blade - should be no problem. Rub it from the blade. To remove it from sponge use Goo Gone.
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Posted By: Jeff(ATTC)
Date Posted: 03/24/2008 at 11:02pm
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Best- Test paper cement all the way! 8USD for 250mL compared to 20USD for 90mL of Free Chack! Just make sure to air your racket for a few days to let the VOCs air out!!!
------------- Bty Jun Mizutani ZLC FH: D80 BH: D05 |